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Old 12-21-2012, 01:16 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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People, this is incorrect - Hitler was actually fairly liberal with guns. He actually heavily militarized German society - except, of course, for the Jews. This is just another example of the poor education typical of many forum conservatives.

Not that he needed to do this to "control" society - by 1938, the Nazi party was already firmly in power, and Hitler was very popular.


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A common belief among defenders of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is that the National Socialist government of Germany under Adolf Hitler did not permit the private ownership of firearms. Totalitarian governments, they have been taught in their high school civics classes, do not trust their citizens and do not dare permit them to keep firearms. Thus, one often hears the statement, "You know, the first thing the Nazis did when they came to power was outlaw firearms," or, "The first thing Hitler did in Germany was round up all the guns."

Unfortunately for those who would like to link Hitler and the National Socialists with gun control, the entire premise for such an effort is false. German firearms legislation under Hitler, far from banning private ownership, actually facilitated the keeping and bearing of arms by German citizens by eliminating or ameliorating restrictive laws which had been enacted by the government preceding his: a left-center government which had contained a number of Jews.
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GunCite: The Myth of Nazi Gun Control

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Actually read the text that OP started this thread with, and you'll find that what the Germans actually:
(1) expanded the exemptions to permits
(2) lowered the age from 20 to 18
(3) expanded permit time ranges from 1 to 3 years
(4) applied the laws only to handguns, not long guns


So just how restrictive was this gun control?? Not all that much.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:24 AM
 
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People, this is incorrect - Hitler was actually fairly liberal with guns. He actually heavily militarized German society - except, of course, for the Jews. This is just another example of the poor education typical of many forum conservatives.

Not that he needed to do this to "control" society - by 1938, the Nazi party was already firmly in power, and Hitler was very popular.




National Vanguard

GunCite: The Myth of Nazi Gun Control

The Straight Dope: Did Hitler ban gun ownership?



Actually read the text that OP started this thread with, and you'll find that what the Germans actually:
(1) expanded the exemptions to permits
(2) lowered the age from 20 to 18
(3) expanded permit time ranges from 1 to 3 years
(4) applied the laws only to handguns, not long guns


So just how restrictive was this gun control?? Not all that much.
Ronald Reagan was more restrictive towards gun rights than Hitler was, therefore Ronald Reagan was a Nazi.
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Old 12-21-2012, 02:01 AM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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People, this is incorrect - Hitler was actually fairly liberal with guns. He actually heavily militarized German society - except, of course, for the Jews. This is just another example of the poor education typical of many forum conservatives.

Not that he needed to do this to "control" society - by 1938, the Nazi party was already firmly in power, and Hitler was very popular.
Actually Hitler toughened gun laws for certain groups and relaxed it for others. Even the relaxed laws are incredibly restrictive though, but it's important to look at the laws he toughened them for: Jews.

The same group he would continue to systematically destroy their rights then their lives in Nazi occupied Europe.

Restrictions on guns = trampling of liberties later. What's so stupid is so many Americans want this
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Old 12-21-2012, 03:19 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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When I think of the bad things committed by Hitler I think of genocide, concentration camps, invading other countries, when conservatives think of bad things committed by Hitler they mention gun control.
It's a lot harder to herd well armed people determined to resist tyrants, than it is to herd defenseless people into such camps.
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Old 12-21-2012, 03:21 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Originally Posted by ambient View Post
People, this is incorrect - Hitler was actually fairly liberal with guns. He actually heavily militarized German society - except, of course, for the Jews. This is just another example of the poor education typical of many forum conservatives.

Not that he needed to do this to "control" society - by 1938, the Nazi party was already firmly in power, and Hitler was very popular.




National Vanguard

GunCite: The Myth of Nazi Gun Control

The Straight Dope: Did Hitler ban gun ownership?



Actually read the text that OP started this thread with, and you'll find that what the Germans actually:
(1) expanded the exemptions to permits
(2) lowered the age from 20 to 18
(3) expanded permit time ranges from 1 to 3 years
(4) applied the laws only to handguns, not long guns


So just how restrictive was this gun control?? Not all that much.
You did note the "trustworthiness" part, correct? You do know this means guns were limited to loyal Nazis, correct? Moreover, did you note the list of prohibited classes?
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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This message brought to you by the NRA.
your message is brought by a complete denial of facts or an ability to
compare
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:39 AM
 
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Actually,Hitler GAVE his adoring masses guns,tanks,flamethrowers,grenades,etc. Not to mention those spiffy looking uniforms.
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:44 AM
 
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So it was illegal in Nazi Germany to steal, rape and murder, did Hitler have that wrong too? Now you want to repeal the gun laws on the books. LOL I just can't believe these idiots who think that the talking points they use among them selfs will work outside the coffee shop BS talk that gun nuts say at the range as they slap each others back. Hitler thought smoking was a health hazard was he wrong on that also? I bet you think that the ani smoking crowd is just trying to infringe on your rights also.
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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The difference between the two was that Hitlers law was intended to loosen the existing gun laws, while ours was to tighten them. Remember that Germany lost WW-I and the Treaty of Versailles dictated very strict gun laws for German citizens. It was practically impossible for people to have guns. The claim "the first thing Nazis did was ban guns" is a myth.
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Old 12-21-2012, 06:02 AM
 
Location: Delaware
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What is the point your trying to make about Dodd - that perhaps he plagiarised Nazi laws -
Th only reason Hitler enacted on gun control was to make sure there would be no armed up rising against him, not because he was a humanitarian in any way shape or form. I don't see being a vegetarian earning him any brownie points considering how many people he killed and in such horrible ways - Please don't forget all the creative things they made
from human skin from the dead - lampshades were a big hit.
Just as an FYI even though PETA proclaims people should become vegetarian or vegan to save our animals they were
taken to court in Virginia for killing dogs and dumping them in a dumpster behind a grocery store. Not on just one
occassion but numerous times. Do ya think they were supporters of Hitler.
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