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Old 02-13-2013, 08:17 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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The 1938 law actually liberalized gun ownership, making it easier to get them than it had been under the restrictions imposed by the Treaty of Versailles. It's kinda hard to assert that the Nazis were "in favor" of gun control when this law goes in the exact opposite direction.


yeah right, unless you were a gypsy, jew or ome other unfavored race that the nazis didnt like this week.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:52 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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And the point of posting both of those was??.... what, exactly?
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:55 AM
 
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And the point of posting both of those was??.... what, exactly?

Another lame Hitler/Obama, or Nazi/Liberal comparison.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:00 AM
 
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If I`m not mistaken,Hitler provided every able bodied man with a gun and a snappy looking uniform.Some even had grenades,flamethrowers and tanks.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:02 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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yeah right, unless you were a gypsy, jew or ome other unfavored race that the nazis didnt like this week.
Gun ownership would not have changed the Jews' outcome, unfortunately. Their misfortune is that they were a small, vastly-outnumbered minority in a nation where the large majority supported Hitler and his policies against them. Hitler was very popular, and he did not require any sort of gun control to gain his power; he was already well-established in power by the time of his gun control reform act of 1938.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:57 AM
 
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Gun ownership would not have changed the Jews' outcome, unfortunately. Their misfortune is that they were a small, vastly-outnumbered minority in a nation where the large majority supported Hitler and his policies against them. Hitler was very popular, and he did not require any sort of gun control to gain his power; he was already well-established in power by the time of his gun control reform act of 1938.


we will never really know.

but if you look at pictures of nazis rounding up people for their camps. look at the k98s the nazis were carrying. that little knob on the back that is up, is the safety engaged. it means that all those people were gathered up by nazis having firearms that were on safe.

it would take a real action in order to disengage the rifle to make it ready for fire.
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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yeah right, unless you were a gypsy, jew or ome other unfavored race that the nazis didnt like this week.
Red herring.

They still liberalized the gun laws and nobody here is proposing we keep guns only out of the hands of Jews or gypsies.
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Old 02-13-2013, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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In essence the Nazis liberalized gun laws for their pals and allies, the SS, SA, and Stalhelm, but not for their enemies--Jews, Gypsies, and any person "who has acted in an inimical manner towward the state."
There was wide scope for selective enforcement.

Basically guns for we, but not for thee. It's not necessarily a different concept from what Democrats are pushing today. Armed feds everywhere, even the Dept of Education is buying sawed-off shotguns, while at the same time Dems are hot & bothered to pass an "assault weapon" ban for regular citizens.
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Old 02-13-2013, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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In essence the Nazis liberalized gun laws for their pals and allies, the SS, SA, and Stalhelm, but not for their enemies--Jews, Gypsies, and any person "who has acted in an inimical manner towward the state."
Red herring.

The Nazi laws made it easier to own guns, not harder.

This thread is a complete fail.
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Old 02-13-2013, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Chattanooga, TN
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They still liberalized the gun laws and nobody here is proposing we keep guns only out of the hands of Jews or gypsies.
Because he had already suspended most civil rights after the Reichstag Fire, exception 6.4 basically implies that gun laws were NOT liberalized except for friends of the government.

The scary part about Hitler is that he didn't have to restrict gun laws or create a list of guns owners among his enemies. The restrictive laws and registrations passed after WWI and during the liberal Weinmar Republic had already taken care of that. He just used the already-existing list to disarm all his enemies (those he didn't arrest or kill outright).

In spite of the rhetoric, Obama is no tyrant. I'm not worried about an ultra-liberal president turning into a tyrant. I'd be more worried about an ultra-right-wing president turning tyrant. Ironically, in that situation, pro-2A activists are actually protecting the rights of the minorities who would be oppressed under that type of rule.
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