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I was making a statement that the Fed Govt can regulate "arms". Do you disagree? I didn't propose any regulations, only stated that, obviously referencing machine guns, the Fed Govt has the power to regulate guns.
I was making a statement that the Fed Govt can regulate "arms". Do you disagree? I didn't propose any regulations, only stated that, obviously referencing machine guns, the Fed Govt has the power to regulate guns.
Yes, but you made no proposals. What regulations do you suppose would make a difference?
^^^ So, what you're saying is that completely banning firearms STILL doesn't prevent shootings!
I believe japan ALSO has much stricter dealings with criminals and since our high crime rate has mostly to do with our lack of willingness to keep recurring criminals away from society....It seems that your "concern" is misplaced.
Deal with the cause...not the TOOL!
Since there are over 1 MILLION reports of defensive gun uses each year by law abiding citizens, what you propose by taking them away is GROWING the crime rate tremendously!
But, since the the goal of taking the Second Amendment away is the GOAL...it really doesn't matter what the REAL outcome would be, would it?
Rather than addressing the utterly ridiculous assertions in the OP (Made by *conservative talk radio hosts* (who btw, I regularly listen to since I generally identify as a conservative) , distractions have brought us to more "comfortable" areas for pro-gun people - and away from the topic.
I'd still love to hear a rational argument for how school security guards will be funded, how many will be needed - it seems people are comfortable with just saying "yeah, we need that" - but when the *how* and reality comes into play - silence.
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OH, I knew it was the women's fault!!!!! Because they just don't get the men and the macho thing !!!!!
I mean, a lot of them think there might eventually- someday- be peace on our planet- the poor deluded suckers!!!!
Sorry, I'm a woman and I agree with him Holly. Woman should have equal rights and pay - unfortunately with the liberation of woman - more went to work to assert this right - seeing now there were a lot of working couples - companies raised prices to the point that a wife had to go to work to help pay the bills. The losers are the children - left alone for hours, parents too tired at the end of the day to give them time or buying them everything to assuage the parent's own guilt - putting alot of the parenting on the teachers - who don't want to parent and shouldn't. You now have children, who have not been raised to respect. Many feeled entitled, due to mommy and daddy buying them whatever they want. Many bully - as they want someone else to feel worse than they themselves feel ect.. The games are so much more violent than our Road Runner cartoons - but then we ere taught what was reality and what was fiction - to these kids left alone - these games become their reality.
My husband owns guns - I've shot one once - not my thing - I don't think they ever should have taken the ban off automatic weapons - but enacting tougher gun laws ( we're in NY with some of the toughist ) is not going to stop criminals or deranged people from getting their hands on them.
I don't know if I'm for or against guns in schools at this point - I know my son had a knife pulled on him at school with many security guards and nothing was done. The principal refused to search this kids backpack as it was his personal item. There are as many nuts inside the school as out - and they just coddle the kids these days.
For those against the idea tho - what are your suggestions for making the schools safer without armed guards? So much criticism but no alternative constructive ideas on here.
The only way to get people convinced that there is a Higher Power (God) to whom all people will answer for their actions is to PUT RELIGION BACK INTO OUR CULTURE. We have taken God out of everything and then we wonder why this country is going to hell. These assassins believe that they are the highest authority effective in their own lives... they "own" other people's lives by taking them, and then they "own" their own lives by committing suicide in the end. Let's take a look back 100 years or so, when Christianity (in its various forms) was practically the law of the land due to how closely the American public adhered to its tenets, and see how many random mass murders were committed.
It is not due to the lack of religious teachings in our culture that you are seeing these societal changes, but rather the lack of certain things that often accompanied religious upbringing. Raising children with a strict moral framework and a strong network of familial and community support has been abandoned. I am absolutely NOT advocating we return religion to our modern culture (I am agnostic and view it as a complete fallacy) but I certainly see that in the absence of traditional religion, we have not addressed certain needs in raising children in this country. They are constantly coddled, allowed to spend ten hours absorbed in video games and television at the expense of their social skills and education, their needs not met fully or in part due to a dual income family with no time/high divorce rates/inadequate support from school/parents/community networks, their mental health not prioritized and warning signs ignored/downplayed, not taught the value of moral integrity, allowed to act selfishly with no consequences...I could go on and on. So yeah, I'd say this country needs to address these things (unfortunately I don't see it ever getting better) but forcing religion back into the country is definitely not the answer.
Oh, and I am so sick of this "assault weapons" fear mongering. There is no functional difference between an assault weapon and a non-assault weapon, but I hear it in the media all the time trying to get a rise out of people. Perhaps we can just use Justice Stewart's reasoning of "I know it when I see it." That certainly isn't subjective at all Now there are people running around claiming these shooters are using automatic weapons that can shoot 400 rounds a minute because there is so little education on the topic If only these people tried to actually purchase a fully automatic weapon they would understand how stupid they sound and how hard they are to buy.
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At that, I've posted in years past of this forum how my having ready access to a firearm stopped a felony assault (which could have lead to far more serious consequences, one was where a crazy person was attempting to rape two women in a remote campsite locale), ending the situation. I didn't set out to be a hero, circumstances found me and I was able to be of assistance.
Good man. I think so often people get caught up in the extremes of debates, and forget that all gun advocates are not backwoods crazies with "arsenals" of weapons. They are normal people like your neighbor, your coworker, or the person ahead of you in line buying milk. They don't leave home everyday with their handgun expecting to be involved in a "James Bond shootout" or be the hero of the month. However, it would really suck to be involved in a situation where even the threat of a gun (not even its use) could diffuse potential harm or death for themselves or others, but to not have one available at the time. For as often as guns are used in shootouts or mass murders, there are many more instances where they are used in self-defense, we just happen to hear about the former more often since the media sensationalizes them.
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