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Old 12-24-2012, 08:14 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Actually, it just takes a return to the GW policies and rhetoric on immigration and stop talking about rape.
That would be a good down payment, but W's policies were assisted by the fact he was comfortable speaking directly to Latino groups. W was a compassionate conservative, and that is something that cannot be faked.

Second, the GOP needs to eliminate the TP debates, and any audiences at debates who cannot be trusted to not act like children ("Let em die", "jeering Perry's humane stance on the children of illegals", etc). I wish they would do what my Roman Catholic Church did I attended as a teen. We had a quiet , secure room where parents could take their screaming, crying small children, and perhaps the GOP should put the TP in a room like that. The adults and older kids in the church coiuld hear mass undisturbed, and yet the small children were attending church. Once they learned to behave properly, they could partake of mass in the church proper. Yes, that quiet room would surely work to allow the TP to hear, but not disturb the adults.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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This last election is proof that the tipping point has been reached. We witnessed Santa Claus winning an election after the complete failure of his first term. The problem is that Santa is paying for those gifts with other peoples money, and mostly from those that didn't vote for him.

The tipping point has certainly been reached; with more people holding out their hands, palms up.
Palms up now. Hands raised in surrender next.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:19 PM
 
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Do they not take an oath to uphold and defend the constitution?

The GOP was not elected to a majority to rubber stamp obama's agenda.

A divided, slow moving government was intended. God help us when the two sides collude!
We did not elect a GOP majority. We have a GOP Majority because they were elected from their individual districts. This whole "we elected a GOP majority" nonsense is Boehner-speak.

That said, its not the House's job to obstruct. In fact, the House is supposed to be a beehive of activity and free flowing ideas. It's the Senate's job to obstruct and put the brakes on the aspirations of the House.

And no, a Republican House shouldn't rubber stamp Obama's policies, but they're supposed to actively work with him to get things done...not take orders from Grover Nordquist and other GOP dopes. And they damn sure shouldn't be signing pledges to unelected organizations and their idiot leaders.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:20 PM
 
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E.J. Dionne Jr.: It’s our political system on the cliff - The Washington Post



Indeed.

The difficulty here is not just the obstructionist GOP majority in the House - it's the blindness of "constitution-worship", the unwillingness of many (but not all) politicians, pundits and informed citizens to acknowledge that this crisis, like the crisis of 1995, goes beyond partisanship to expose a fundamental flaw in the U.S. constitutional structure. The last two years haven't been ordinary party politics: they've been an outright constitutional crisis.
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Agreed. The Constitution has been used and abused in the name of "protecting it", many a times by the same folks who still believe Declaration of Independence and Articles of Confederation are in effect alongside the US Constitution as the framework for the Governments.
EG is right, the constitution has worked just fine for more than 230 years, and it is true that it has been abused many times over the decades, and still come out strong.

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The Constitution was fine as originally written, reflecting the values and thinking of the majority of people in this country at that time. As time has passed, the Constitution has been changed - as intended by the framers - to reflect the changing values and thinking of our citizens.

Perhaps the time has finally come for the people of this country to re-think the Second Amendment, and revise the wording to re-affirm a Constitutional right to bear arms for the purposes of hunting and self-protection, as allowed by law, deleting any reference to a well-regulated militia and discarding any notion that the right to bear arms in any way translates into the right to armed insurrection.
there is no need to change the second amendment, its fine the way it is.

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Ah, yes, one of those mantras the creatures of the far right like to repeat. You, sundry neo-Nazis, and the Koch brothers would all like the U.S. to be an oligarchy, but you're just going to have to suck it up.

The American people believe in democracy, believe our country is a democracy, and will not be convinced by oligarchic propaganda to accept anything less.
what the american people have been lead to believe, and what is the truth are two different things. this country was set up as a constitutional representative republic. and it was designed with several checks and balances, congress keeps a reign on presidential powers, while the executive branch runs the various governmental agencies, and the judicial branch is the balance between the two. and if they were actually doing their jobs like they should, the media would be the light of truth that shines on all three branches of government.

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If we had informed citizens Obama wouldn't have been sworn in, he'd've been sworn at.
very well said.
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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And no, a Republican House shouldn't rubber stamp Obama's policies, but they're supposed to actively work with him to get things done...not take orders from Grover Nordquist and other GOP dopes. And they damn sure shouldn't be signing pledges to unelected organizations and their idiot leaders.
Are you saying that President Obama has worked with the Republicans?

Isn't it the Democrat Senate led by Harry "do nothing" Reed that hasn't passed a budget since Obama took office?

How many bills has the senate shelved?

It's curious that when Republicans block bills, it's called obstructionism. When Democrats block bills, it's progress. If there was ever a case for mind control, or mass hysteria... I'm just sayin'.

The government is a reflection of the people; we've become fractured, dysfunctional, and greedy. Through it all we now have communitarians starting a war against individualists. This is what it's boiling down to.
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Old 12-25-2012, 10:30 PM
 
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Are you saying that President Obama has worked with the Republicans?

Isn't it the Democrat Senate led by Harry "do nothing" Reed that hasn't passed a budget since Obama took office?

How many bills has the senate shelved?

It's curious that when Republicans block bills, it's called obstructionism. When Democrats block bills, it's progress. If there was ever a case for mind control, or mass hysteria... I'm just sayin'.

The government is a reflection of the people; we've become fractured, dysfunctional, and greedy. Through it all we now have communitarians starting a war against individualists. This is what it's boiling down to.
Stop. You're not an individualist. Americans are addicted to big government as a whole and hopelessly so.

And yes...that includes YOU! In fact, I'd bet ESPECIALLY you.

So...
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Old 12-26-2012, 04:56 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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This last election is proof that the tipping point has been reached. We witnessed Santa Claus winning an election after the complete failure of his first term. The problem is that Santa is paying for those gifts with other peoples money, and mostly from those that didn't vote for him.

The tipping point has certainly been reached; with more people holding out their hands, palms up.
What you don't want to consider is that those "gifts" you speak of is services like healthcare and maintaining from cuts programs like Medicare. You also are ignoring the gifts Romney promised -- eliminating estate taxes, capital gains taxes and dividend taxes. The difference is that Obama's gifts are to average Americans and Romney's were to the elite. That's why they poured a billion into his campaign coffers.
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Old 12-26-2012, 05:01 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Nor are the democrats.

The only people who are capable are quickly out voted and eliminated each election so people can blindly appeal to the idiocy of their dogma while disregarding the principals this country was founded on.
Actually, the Democrats have been governing. They never held the nation's credit rating hostage. Mr. Obama has offered tax increases but also has gone more than half way on spending cuts. Te GOP, they offer deduction cuts but won't identify a single one; they offer spending cuts but nothing of any meaningful size.

The democrats have been the designated drivers at this party.
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:16 AM
 
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
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Actually, the Democrats have been governing. They never held the nation's credit rating hostage. Mr. Obama has offered tax increases but also has gone more than half way on spending cuts. Te GOP, they offer deduction cuts but won't identify a single one; they offer spending cuts but nothing of any meaningful size.

The democrats have been the designated drivers at this party.
No they haven't. They are just as responsible for poor governing as the repubs are. Both parties are putting their party's interests before ours. The Repubs are right when they say Obama wants us all to go over the fiscal cliff. They believe - by playing the polls - it would benefit their party and we would all blame the Repubs. That is NOT governing. But we voted both of these worthless parties in power and chose the status quo on Election Day. Absolutely nothing has changed and we deserve what we get.
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Stop. You're not an individualist. Americans are addicted to big government as a whole and hopelessly so.

And yes...that includes YOU! In fact, I'd bet ESPECIALLY you.

So...
Living in Cali; I pay more taxes and get less in return than any other state except NY. I've never taken a dime in welfare, food stamps...etc. even going through a dismal bankruptcy.

Leave it to a progressive, who wants everyone to be dependent on the government, to believe that I'm "ESPECIALLY" dependent on the government. Again, your assumptions are completely wrong.

You might want to stay away from any serious gambling.
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