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Over 150 million killed by their own governments in the last century, and our NDAA, Patriot Act and killing of U.S. citizens without trial tells me Jefferson had a good idea about arms and keeping governments in check.
You're going to defend yourself against "the government," huh? Is this some kind of survivalist dream aka the movie "Tremors"?
Over 150 million killed by their own governments in the last century, and our NDAA, Patriot Act and killing of U.S. citizens without trial tells me Jefferson had a good idea about arms and keeping governments in check.
And so did Madison:
"To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;"
Using violence and aggression wasn't the prescribed way to establish government in this country. If you want that, you were born in the wrong one.
Thats what I always thought about a liberals "progress". As a cancer grows in the human body an Oncologist will refer to that growth as
Progress
Not every half baked idea you want to hold up as progress is necessarily good for our country. In fact most of its corrupt BS backed by criminal lobbyists not unlike the other side of the aisle.
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Originally Posted by itlltickleurinnerds
Perfect Kerby. I hear people on the right act like some god came down and handed the Constitution to the founders. These narrow minded neocon idiots do not understand the most fundamental of concepts that this country was built on. Times change and so do laws and the constitution. It was a fundamental building block that has to adapt or die out as not applicable like the bible if it ever was.
That is why we have a process called amendments. Jefferson was a great supporter of gun rights.
"On every question of construction [of the Constitution] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or intended against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed".---Tommy J.
People, though, act as if the Bill of Rights is not meant to be touched in anyway because it was written so long ago.
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest
although he doesn't mention guns specifically, given the rest of Jeffersons works, I highly doubt he'd be for emboldening the federal government further with restrictions on private gun ownership.
The words pretty much mean that people shouldn't be afraid to change things just because they were written a long time ago by highly revered people.
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Originally Posted by Little-Acorn
For more than two hundred years, the American people have been free to amend the COnstitution and change or eliminate anything they want in it. Including the 2nd amendment.
For every one of those 200+ years, despite all the available opportunities, the American people have chosen to leave the 2nd amendment in place.
Just as Jefferson continually recommended.
Did somebody mention a "punch in the face"?
The point isn't to remove the amendment but that it needs to make sense for technological advances. People from over 200 years ago probably did not invision our current technology.
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I don't think he was well acquainted with semi-automatic and automatic weapons. He was a one-gun man in a one-gun era (except for Wyatt Earp who could shoot a gun from each hand).
Exactly.
The people then could not predict what would happen in over 200 years just as we cannot predict what will happen in another 200 years.
I would hope to never see such a day, but the fact is governments can become tyrannical very easily.
McVeigh reached that point in 1990s. Many more before him, and many since. Don't go preaching that it was the US Constitution that empowered them to do so.
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If someone made themself dictator, or the government blatantly ignored the Constitution, do you think Madison would side with the tyrants?
A lot of individuals have maintained the position throughout the history of this nation that you do. To them, government has become "tyrannical"... so, has been the case, apparently, many times over last 200+ years.
I'm personally less concerned with a dictator taking over than with people with this attitude y'all demonstrate. It is why I send the regular reminder that the constitution wasn't put in place to empower fringe fanatics to create chaos (the perfect recipe for a dictatorship).
I don't think he was well acquainted with semi-automatic and automatic weapons. He was a one-gun man in a one-gun era (except for Wyatt Earp who could shoot a gun from each hand).
Yeah, but no one else had semi-automatics either.
The reason they included the right to keep and bear firearms instead of bows and arrows is because other people had firearms and they could use them against us.
The reason they included the right to keep and bear firearms instead of bows and arrows is because other people had firearms and they could use them against us.
Is "fire arms" spelled out in the US Constitution?
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