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Old 12-26-2012, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Originally Posted by JazzyTallGuy View Post
If you are a conservative it's impossible for there to be ANY positive economic progress while Barack Obama is President of the United States.

It just doesn't fit the ideology, facts be damned!
since the left will not admit the facts of economic data and blames bush then its very difficult to give credit.When you refuse to take credit for failures and deflect on others you are not in s position then to take credit
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Houston
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I would say the upcoming fiscal cliff may be the cause of lower than expected sales. That is a bipartisan screwup.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:13 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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since the left will not admit the facts of economic data and blames bush then its very difficult to give credit.When you refuse to take credit for failures and deflect on others you are not in s position then to take credit
What "facts" are you referring to?
The fact that retail sales are the highest ever (even if the increase this year is small)?
The fact that home prices are generally recovering?
The fact that the UE rate is generally dropping?
The fact that industrial production and factory orders are generally rising?
The fact that consumer spending and confidence are generally rising?
Which of those facts are you referring to?

Ken
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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What "facts" are you referring to?
The fact that retail sales are the highest ever (even if the increase this year is small)?
The fact that home prices are generally recovering?
The fact that the UE rate is generally dropping?
The fact that industrial production and factory orders are generally rising?
The fact that consumer spending and confidence are generally rising?
Which of those facts are you referring to?

Ken
the facts that we were told if we passed the stimulus we would never have UE above 7.5
here is a whole list
List of Obama's Lies | Barack Obama Lies
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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What "facts" are you referring to?
The fact that retail sales are the highest ever (even if the increase this year is small)?
The fact that home prices are generally recovering?
The fact that the UE rate is generally dropping?
The fact that industrial production and factory orders are generally rising?
The fact that consumer spending and confidence are generally rising?
Which of those facts are you referring to?

Ken
Facts UE still high
fact more people on food stamps
Fact trillion dollar deficits as far as we can see
fact 16 trillion dollar national debt
fact more money each year having to go pay interest on debt
Fact SS in trouble no answer from OBama
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:25 AM
 
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At least Hillary is hard at work hashing out a deal or more likely she's getting her orders which she'll in turn then give to Obama for him to follow.
Who says our leaders on both sides don't WANT us to go into another recession. They've been working to undermine the middle class for years and this is hard to pass up.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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the facts that we were told if we passed the stimulus we would never have UE above 7.5
here is a whole list
List of Obama's Lies | Barack Obama Lies
We will have....just as soon as enough people run out of benefits... Remember they don't count once they don't qualify for benefits.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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As Don Rumsfeld would ask, "by what metric to you come to that conclusion?"
What, no graph?
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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At least Hillary is hard at work hashing out a deal or more likely she's getting her orders which she'll in turn then give to Obama for him to follow.
Who says our leaders on both sides don't WANT us to go into another recession. They've been working to undermine the middle class for years and this is hard to pass up.
(I'd use a thumbs up frowny face but we don't have one). The democrats have been attacking the middle class all along. I'm not sure the motive behind wanting to throw us into another recession but that does seem to be the intent. I think we won't see the true motive on this one until long after it's over and it's too late to fix.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:27 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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the facts that we were told if we passed the stimulus we would never have UE above 7.5
here is a whole list
List of Obama's Lies | Barack Obama Lies
Geeze - that old cr*p again.
So what?
That projection was based on numbers obtained during the last few months of the Bush Administration - when the full extent of how fast the economy was tanking was not yet understood. The fact is the UE rate had ALREADY risen above 7.5% BEFORE the stimulus was even put into place. In fact it was 7.8% while Bush was still President for most of the month (Jan of 2009). You make the best projections you can with the data you have available at the time. That's all ANYONE can do.

The American People are smart enough to UNDERSTAND that (that's WHY the re-elected the President) - even if YOU are NOT.



Ken
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