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Old 12-28-2012, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Thumb of Michigan
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The logic of House GOP intransigence - Alex Isenstadt - POLITICO.com

But last week’s mayhem had a certain logic — the logic of politicians wanting to keep their jobs.

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In the staunchly conservative districts that most House Republicans inhabit, playing ball with President Barack Obama on taxes and the debt means tempting a primary opponent in the next election. The threat of a challenge from the left that might come from digging in, on the other hand, is almost nonexistent for most members.
As a matter of pure political self-interest, the post-election debate within the GOP about how to broaden the party’s appeal and avoid another Romney-esque debacle in four years is irrelevant in this quarter of GOP politics. For the overwhelming majority of House Republicans, the largely white, resolutely conservative electorate that Mitt Romney relied on — excessively, as it turned out — is all they need to ensure reelection.
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:03 AM
 
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The logic of House GOP intransigence - Alex Isenstadt - POLITICO.com

But last week’s mayhem had a certain logic — the logic of politicians wanting to keep their jobs.

Read more: The logic of House GOP intransigence - Alex Isenstadt - POLITICO.com


In the staunchly conservative districts that most House Republicans inhabit, playing ball with President Barack Obama on taxes and the debt means tempting a primary opponent in the next election. The threat of a challenge from the left that might come from digging in, on the other hand, is almost nonexistent for most members.
As a matter of pure political self-interest, the post-election debate within the GOP about how to broaden the party’s appeal and avoid another Romney-esque debacle in four years is irrelevant in this quarter of GOP politics. For the overwhelming majority of House Republicans, the largely white, resolutely conservative electorate that Mitt Romney relied on — excessively, as it turned out — is all they need to ensure reelection.
Sure they may save their jobs but the Republican Party will take a hit on the national level. This will further marginalize the party. If they continue down this path they will become a party capable of winning local and some statewide elections but no longer effective as a truly national party.
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The teabagger pubs have their own self-interest in mind, not the good of our country. They pledge to Grover Norquist, not the USA.
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:40 PM
 
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The teabagger pubs have their own self-interest in mind, not the good of our country. They pledge to Grover Norquist, not the USA.
We don't have revenue problem, we have a spending problem.
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:43 PM
 
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Sure they may save their jobs but the Republican Party will take a hit on the national level. This will further marginalize the party. If they continue down this path they will become a party capable of winning local and some statewide elections but no longer effective as a truly national party.
LOL

So the County Commissioner, the Mayor, the Sherriff, etc will remain Republican, but Democrats will fill the House and Senate because all those people who voted GOP in local races will vote for Democrats in the national race?

LOL

Nope, no logic here!

Did you miss the part where it said that most GOP house members represent fervently conservative districts? And now you're supposing that those districts will be turncoats?

LOL
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:46 PM
 
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The teabagger pubs have their own self-interest in mind, not the good of our country. They pledge to Grover Norquist, not the USA.
Their self-interests are the interests of the country. Feel free to explain why you don't feel we have a spending problem (which is the ideology espoused by the Tea Party).

Thanks!
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Thumb of Michigan
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The teabagger pubs have their own self-interest in mind, not the good of our country. They pledge to Grover Norquist, not the USA.

What's wrong with the Teabaggers are the concepts of their interests....
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:51 PM
 
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The risk for Republicans is in losing the center ground of American politics. Conservative candidates will always get elected in some districts. But, if they lose the center ground, the GOP will, essentially, be forfeiting future majorities in Congress and the Senate. In these circumstances, GOP intransigence may have serious electoral consequences going forward.
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Their self-interests are the interests of the country. Feel free to explain why you don't feel we have a spending problem (which is the ideology espoused by the Tea Party).

Thanks!
The fact that the TP hasn't identified any cuts of meaningful size that they want to cut means it's not a spending problem. Moreover, the math also shows you can have savage cuts to major programs and still not balance the budget.

But it is more than that. It is a governing problem. They would rather send the country into chaos instead of compromise. We saw that last week as they rejected Boehner's million dollar tax-bracket Plan B, which means that they aren't interested in tax-increases of one penny.
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I can't help but wonder how these people who are so adamant that they cannot allow even a modest tax increase on the wealthiest amoung us, will feel after we "jump off" the fiscal cliff, and everyone's taxes go up? Really, taxes will increase, one way or another, and this logjam in the House cannot prevent it!
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