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Mr. Hobby Lobby has no right to impose his religious practices onto his employees. Nor can he discriminate by hiring only those who would not use birth control any more than he can refuse customers who practice birth control.
However, Mr. Hobby Lobby is free to sell his business or to move it to a country that does not condone birth control.
This is a prime example of the foolish left. They want freedom, but only as long as it is on their terms. The owner of Hobby Lobby never said his employees can't get birth control. He said he's not paying for it. BIG difference.
Freedom works both ways. He has the freedom to run his company the way he sees fit. You have the freedom to not support it. But what we CANNOT do is start demanding people go against their religious beliefs. Once that happens, it's a slippery slope and we are all(yes, even you) screwed and in a socialist country.
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The first argument the administration makes against the owners of Hobby Lobby is that Americans lose their First Amendment right to freely exercise their religion when they form a corporation and engage in commerce. A person’s Christianity, the administration argues, cannot be carried out through activities he engages in through an incorporated business.
The second argument the administration makes to justify forcing Christians to act against their faith is more sweeping. Here the administration argues it can force a person to act against his religion so long as the coercion is done under the authority of a law that is neutral and generally applicable—in other words, as long as the law was not written specifically to persecute Christians as Christians, the government can use that law to persecute Christians.[/quote]
Sound arguments. I formerly worked for a corp with a VSP (Voluntary Separation Program). Argument 2 we successfully used to fend off challenges of age discrimination in employment Reductions In Force, as via the VSP, a disproportinate percentage of those taking it were 55 or older. They were NOT coerced, and in no way was the VSP used as a means to obtain a youn ger workforce. We WON.
Mr. Hobby Lobby has no right to impose his religious practices onto his employees. Nor can he discriminate by hiring only those who would not use birth control any more than he can refuse customers who practice birth control.
However, Mr. Hobby Lobby is free to sell his business or to move it to a country that does not condone birth control.
Once again, there is no imposition here. He wants to offer an insurance plan which covers certain products and services. If you want your insurance to cover other products and services, then do not seek employment at Hobby Lobby. Employment at Hobby Lobby is voluntary. Nobody is forced to work at Hobby Lobby so therefore there is no imposition involved. Regardless of how one feels about contraception, this is just simple logic.
This is a prime example of the foolish left. They want freedom, but only as long as it is on their terms. The owner of Hobby Lobby never said his employees can't get birth control. He said he's not paying for it. BIG difference.
Freedom works both ways. He has the freedom to run his company the way he sees fit. You have the freedom to not support it. But what we CANNOT do is start demanding people go against their religious beliefs. Once that happens, it's a slippery slope and we are all(yes, even you) screwed and in a socialist country.
I don't think you get to pick an choose what your health insurance provider covers and doesn't cover. One should be able to get their birth control covered through their insurance provider, heck just make the co-pay a little bit more so that it technically isn't being split with the employer.
The admin should let Hobby Lobby opt out IF it agrees to not treat Health Insurance as receiving the special tax treatment group plans get.
In other words, as long as Hobby Lobby adds back the cost of Employer Health Care to its taxable income, and as long as its employees are charged their portions with POST tax, not PRE tax dollars. As long as the same POST tax holds true for Flex Med.
Oh, I forgot, the plantiff likes government for those things. Can't have it both ways.
This is a prime example of the foolish left. They want freedom, but only as long as it is on their terms. The owner of Hobby Lobby never said his employees can't get birth control. He said he's not paying for it. BIG difference.
Freedom works both ways. He has the freedom to run his company the way he sees fit. You have the freedom to not support it. But what we CANNOT do is start demanding people go against their religious beliefs. Once that happens, it's a slippery slope and we are all(yes, even you) screwed and in a socialist country.
Mr. Hobby Lobby is not paying for the birth control. The insurance company is. BIG difference!
Once again, there is no imposition here. He wants to offer an insurance plan which covers certain products and services. If you want your insurance to cover other products and services, then do not seek employment at Hobby Lobby. Employment at Hobby Lobby is voluntary. Nobody is forced to work at Hobby Lobby so therefore there is no imposition involved. Regardless of how one feels about contraception, this is just simple logic.
Beside the point, every time I have visited Hobby Lobby I have only seen elderly women working there. I think Mr. Hobby Lobby is trying to make an issue for himself when there isn't one.
In all liklihood, the fines were determined as a factor of the tax benefits the corp gets from the Feds, while disobeying Fed policies. That is a perfectly reasonable thing for the Fed to do; claw back all benefits of those not abiding by rules.
Because Mr. Hobby Lobby refuses to allow his employees take advantage of insurance covered birth control benefits.
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