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Accidents do happen, but blindly trusting corporations to keep ya safe, no thanks.
Unreal, right? Regardless of how bad the corporate behavior in this country has been over the years, we still have working people telling us to give the corporations more leeway, and they'll always do the right thing.
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Originally Posted by nicet4
Ok, you are the dictator of the land and YOU have the power to decide "what is fair".
What's fair? $10, $20. $50 or $100/hr what is fair? How do you go about making a decision what is fair?
I will tell you what is fair, fair is what someone decides what they are offering is fair.
First of all, i didn't say a damn thing about being fair in regards to pay, so don't be a dope.
What's fair is paying people when they're actually working on the clock. What you pay them is your business, but since when is expecting people to work without being on the clock the norm?
Turn off Limbaugh and join the real world with the rest of us.
BTW...why are so many of you so quick to disbelieve the worker, and believe the employers and corporations? What's that all about? None of you are members of the executive class.
I'm not interested in judging the truthfulness of eithe rof those parties, though I would like to see some verifiable information which I can check out. Did you do the spade work, rather then simply assume that what you read was true? I would hope that you be at least somewhat skeptical, if only to be a good critical thinker.
Anyway, you asked why Americans tolerate such treatment. My answer, which you summarily dismissed, was that the flight attendants shouldn't tolerate it if what is claimed is true.
They should leave and be employed where they feel more appreciated.
With regulation, flights cost several times as much before adjusting for COL 30 years ago.
I just flew from Nashville to Hartford for $101; Southwets got under $80 for that.
OP, One needs to be on another planet not to connect those 2 things. But Americans would revold if that flight cost, at minimum, $1,000, and that is what it would cost using rules from thre regulation days.
NY-LA 2012 with regs: $3,000
NY-Hawaii $6,000
I used to fly R/T Chicago/NYweekly during the 80's-mid 90's. Coach seat ran a tad more more than $800.
Today, despite inflation, higher taxes and fuel, I can make the same trip for about $300. A seat on a plane is a commodity and is sold for as much as the market will bear.
When Government protected prices and routes, the airline were highly profitable. Deregulation, over time, allowed new airlines to compete for business. The new ailines were not saddled with legacy labor contracts. The rest is history.
I'm not interested in judging the truthfulness of eithe rof those parties, though I would like to see some verifiable information which I can check out. Did you do the spade work, rather then simply assume that what you read was true? I would hope that you be at least somewhat skeptical, if only to be a good critical thinker.
Anyway, you asked why Americans tolerate such treatment. My answer, which you summarily dismissed, was that the flight attendants shouldn't tolerate it if what is claimed is true.
They should leave and be employed where they feel more appreciated.
I made it quite clear from my very first post that i'm withholding some judgement although i also made it clear that i believe the story. Another poster basically said that my assertions were a complete lie, and i invited him to please post all evidence in contravention of the link i posted. He didn't do it.
I didn't summarily dismiss it your comment, but if they're tolerating what they shouldn't be tolerating, there must be a good reason for it. Most normal people don't sign up for intentional abuse. You seem to have more contempt for the attendants than you do the airlines just because they're putting up with the abuse.
We should ALL leave our jobs and go where we're more appreciated. Geez, i mean you're not opening up a whole new world with that comment. The reason why we don't is because it's not that simple and you know it. Life is more complicated than that, and you know that too.
The fact is I guess you missed the part when he said "if this is true".
The fact is that if I was posting the story, I would have ascertained whether or not it was true before posting it in a thread titled "Why do we as Americans tolerate such treatment from employers".
Not doing so is begging the question, don't you think?
Besides, even when I did take the story at face value, for the sake of argument, I was called a "G-D right winger".
I used to fly R/T Chicago/NYweekly during the 80's-mid 90's. Coach seat ran a tad more more than $800.
Today, despite inflation, higher taxes and fuel, I can make the same trip for about $300. A seat on a plane is a commodity and is sold for as much as the market will bear.
When Government protected prices and routes, the airline were highly profitable. Deregulation, over time, allowed new airlines to compete for business. The new ailines were not saddled with legacy labor contracts. The rest is history.
Now trying to get todays conservative to understand that todays airline market exists as a result of deregulation is another matter.
I was reading a piece on HuffPo that appeared to be a halfass joke, and the piece was sprinkled with some levity. The headline read: 17 Things Your Flight Attendant Won't Tell You.
Then it began to enumerate these 17 points. Pretty funny stuff until i read these two paragraphs:
If this is true, this is sad as hell. When did this country get this way?
We're to the point where some people are not only expected to work for free, but they're reduced to pulling off a horrible scheme just to make enough money to get by. SMH...i was absolutely furious when i read this piece.
People keep saying that we don't need unions, and if these attendants belong to unions, i sure as hell don't know what they're paying dues for. But if they aren't in a union, they damn sure need to form one.
But for all of you that say that if big business is left alone and we don't regulate them in any way, they'll do the right thing, this is obviously not the case.
YOu're quoting HuffPo?????? That's no better than just "making it up".
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