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Old 10-17-2007, 09:17 AM
 
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Is our government slowing down hydrogen technology? Or is it coming soon regardless of government actions?

Seems quiet a bit of fuel cell technology has become a reality, and now its more of a matter of mass production and hydrogen infrastructure. If gas powered cars could be converted to hydrogen, and new cars could be built to accept both gas and hydrogen, this could easily pave the way for a new infrastructure of hydrogen stations. I'm sure we are talking at least another decade, maybe longer. But 10 years ago I would have thought it wouldn't happen in my lifetime.

Hydrogen-Powered Chevy and Saturn Hybrid On Display at ECOFEST
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Old 10-17-2007, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Hopewell New Jersey
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I'm holding out for the flying cars that were predicted we'd all be taking to work 40 years ago.....
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Old 10-17-2007, 10:10 AM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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Maybe we can lobby our representatives to government to convert mass transit (e.g. busses) to hydrogen. The private sector would be able to enjoy lower costs by using some of the infrastructure developed for the public sector.
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Old 10-17-2007, 10:15 AM
 
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I'm holding out for the flying cars that were predicted we'd all be taking to work 40 years ago.....
Unfortunately they never released 100 test flying cars like they just did with the hydrogen cars. Also, BMW is rolling out a series of hydrogen cars for lease, called the BMW Hydrogen 7. They have dual tanks, one for hydrogen, one for gas, can run on either, with the same amount of power, 260hp.

The infrastructure is very small now, but as each manufacturer races to be the leader in a desirable technology, eventually we will see hydrogen stations far more than we do now. There are currently around 25-30 hydrogen fuel stations in the US, most of them in California.
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Old 10-17-2007, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Hydrogen is great for spacecraft but way less so for lack of space craft - that is automobiles in a traffic jam.

Biggest problem with Hydrogen is storing a sufficient quantity is a small enough space to provide the range and performance required at a cost that is acceptable. A 20 gal sheet steel gasoline tank does not cost anywhere as much as the same energy storage tank for Hydrogen. Besides Hydrogen, being a very small molecule (H2) will leak through steel, and most anything else, walled tank.

Better to use Hydrogen to convert carbonaceous waste to liquid hydrocarbons like gasoline of diesel fuel and use them to run the transportation

PS - judging by the driving skills I see everyday on the expressways around Boston we should be grateful that the personal airplane in every garage never happened.
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Old 10-17-2007, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Hydrogen is great for spacecraft but way less so for lack of space craft - that is automobiles in a traffic jam.

Biggest problem with Hydrogen is storing a sufficient quantity is a small enough space to provide the range and performance required at a cost that is acceptable. A 20 gal sheet steel gasoline tank does not cost anywhere as much as the same energy storage tank for Hydrogen. Besides Hydrogen, being a very small molecule (H2) will leak through steel, and most anything else, walled tank.

Better to use Hydrogen to convert carbonaceous waste to liquid hydrocarbons like gasoline of diesel fuel and use them to run the transportation

PS - judging by the driving skills I see everyday on the expressways around Boston we should be grateful that the personal airplane in every garage never happened.
Especially in fishmonger's garage.
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Old 10-17-2007, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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Is our government slowing down hydrogen technology? Or is it coming soon regardless of government actions?

Seems quiet a bit of fuel cell technology has become a reality, and now its more of a matter of mass production and hydrogen infrastructure. If gas powered cars could be converted to hydrogen, and new cars could be built to accept both gas and hydrogen, this could easily pave the way for a new infrastructure of hydrogen stations. I'm sure we are talking at least another decade, maybe longer. But 10 years ago I would have thought it wouldn't happen in my lifetime.

Hydrogen-Powered Chevy and Saturn Hybrid On Display at ECOFEST

only problem with getting enough hydrogen to power vehicles is..... well lets just say it. You need to burn fossil fuels to run the generators that produces the electrolysis to separate water into the hydrogen and oxygen.
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Old 10-18-2007, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Most commercial Hydrogen is produced by thermal disassociation (cooking) natural gas. I have read about a way to do this using very high temperature thermal cracking of water with a gas cooled nuclear reactor. Way simpler to use the Fischer Tropsh process on waste vegetation or simply extract oil from tumbleweed or hemp seeds.
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Old 10-18-2007, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Maple Valley, WA
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Actually, I think this is really cool:

http://http://www.physorg.com/news98556080.html (broken link)
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Old 10-18-2007, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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Most commercial Hydrogen is produced by thermal disassociation (cooking) natural gas. I have read about a way to do this using very high temperature thermal cracking of water with a gas cooled nuclear reactor. Way simpler to use the Fischer Tropsh process on waste vegetation or simply extract oil from tumbleweed or hemp seeds.
eeek. imagine trying to get the construction of a Nuclear reactor started in our country with the enviromentalists the way they are. They dont even want wind generators due to the death of birds.
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