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Old 01-02-2013, 05:22 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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It doesn`t matter who said what in 1998 or whenever. .
Of course not. Not to people who can't focus and actually think at the same time. Once again, I thank God for giving me a brain.
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Old 01-02-2013, 05:29 AM
 
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WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The nine-year-old Iraq war came to an official end on Thursday, but paying for it will continue for decades until U.S. taxpayers have shelled out an estimated $4 trillion.

Over a 50-year period, that comes to $80 billion annually.

Altogether, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost the U.S. between $4 trillion and $6 trillion, more than half of which would be due to the fighting in Iraq, said Neta Crawford, a political science professor at Brown University.

Her numbers, which are backed by similar studies at Columbia and Harvard universities, estimate the U.S. has already spent $2 trillion on the wars after including debt interest and the higher cost of veterans’ disabilities.

Iraq war ends with a $4 trillion IOU - MarketWatch

Very surprising......exceedingly liberal universities cooking their numbers so that they can make Bush look like a warmonger. WOW!!! I can't believe it!!! Idiots.... Back to the original question.....did they ever find WMD? Yes, they did....Iraq spent months hiding them, moving them from one place to another, but we found them anyway. The liberals love to scream about the WMD.....yet all the dems supported the war as well. Hypocrites all of them....
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Old 01-02-2013, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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It doesn`t matter who said what in 1998 or whenever. One man and one man alone was responsible for evicting Hans Blix and his team of weapons inspectors from Iraq because they found NO wmd`s. The vote to authorize a war was not a declaration of war,but a means to force SH to allow the inspectors into the country. The history of this fisaco has been written and it can`t be rewritten.
You are living in world that must have been created by MSNBC. Not only did the Clintons and the people who voted for the war think there were WMD in Iraq but so did every intelligence agency in the world. Your here Powell testified in front on the UN with the satellite photos that seemed to show them. Whether they were moved or not I guess we will never know. Chemical WMD's were found. Why has your hero Obama, accelerated the war in Afghanistan. He is a baby killer. And while he takes credit for ending the Iraq was the end was already negotiated by Bush. Obama just followed Bush's timeline for withdrawal. Wake up and smell the coffee.
Just to touch one of your idiotic rants, global warming; the issue is if there is global warming, is it man made. Funny that there was global warming at least five times that we know of on earth before man discovered fossil fuels, or was even on the planet. Do you know how stupid you sound?
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Old 01-02-2013, 05:35 AM
 
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It doesn`t matter who said what in 1998 or whenever. One man and one man alone was responsible for evicting Hans Blix and his team of weapons inspectors from Iraq because they found NO wmd`s. The vote to authorize a war was not a declaration of war,but a means to force SH to allow the inspectors into the country. The history of this fisaco has been written and it can`t be rewritten.
Yes, by all means make excuses for the dems who voted for the war and were just as intent on invading Iraq, but out of the other side of your mouth you continue the liberal mantra of "let's crucify Bush for going into Iraq". It's perfectly ok, though, to force people making a certain amount of money to fork over approx 40% of their income, which will be put toward liberal projects that most people could care less about and will not benefit from. Robbery, plain and simple. The liberals/dems are complete morons and crooks.
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Old 01-02-2013, 05:39 AM
 
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You are living in world that must have been created by MSNBC. Not only did the Clintons and the people who voted for the war think there were WMD in Iraq but so did every intelligence agency in the world. Your here Powell testified in front on the UN with the satellite photos that seemed to show them. Whether they were moved or not I guess we will never know. Chemical WMD's were found. Why has your hero Obama, accelerated the war in Afghanistan. He is a baby killer. And while he takes credit for ending the Iraq was the end was already negotiated by Bush. Obama just followed Bush's timeline for withdrawal. Wake up and smell the coffee.
Just to touch one of your idiotic rants, global warming; the issue is if there is global warming, is it man made. Funny that there was global warming at least five times that we know of on earth before man discovered fossil fuels, or was even on the planet. Do you know how stupid you sound?
Yes. But then obama takes credit for everything, even when he's done absolutely nothing to earn even a tiny bit of credit. He will, however, blame everyone and everything if he doesn't get his way on something or if things don't go according to his plan.....it's like watching a toddler have a temper tantrum. As for global warming......our planet has gone through naturally occurring heating/cooling for millions of years and our current "global warming" trend is the result of that and NOT some man-made issue. We are simply throwing money down the toilet to fix something that is an inevitable part of evolution.
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Old 01-02-2013, 06:01 AM
 
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WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The nine-year-old Iraq war came to an official end on Thursday, but paying for it will continue for decades until U.S. taxpayers have shelled out an estimated $4 trillion.

Over a 50-year period, that comes to $80 billion annually.

Altogether, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost the U.S. between $4 trillion and $6 trillion, more than half of which would be due to the fighting in Iraq, said Neta Crawford, a political science professor at Brown University.

Her numbers, which are backed by similar studies at Columbia and Harvard universities, estimate the U.S. has already spent $2 trillion on the wars after including debt interest and the higher cost of veterans’ disabilities.

Iraq war ends with a $4 trillion IOU - MarketWatch

The cost of the wars authorized by Congress in Iraq and Afghanistan by the time Bush left office was LESS than $900 Billion.
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:00 AM
 
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WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The nine-year-old Iraq war came to an official end on Thursday, but paying for it will continue for decades until U.S. taxpayers have shelled out an estimated $4 trillion.

Over a 50-year period, that comes to $80 billion annually.

Altogether, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost the U.S. between $4 trillion and $6 trillion, more than half of which would be due to the fighting in Iraq, said Neta Crawford, a political science professor at Brown University.

Her numbers, which are backed by similar studies at Columbia and Harvard universities, estimate the U.S. has already spent $2 trillion on the wars after including debt interest and the higher cost of veterans’ disabilities.

Iraq war ends with a $4 trillion IOU - MarketWatch
Are you ever going to stop these inane posts? OK, if it makes you happy Bush wasted $300000 trillion. Hope you are now satisfied.
(On a side note- you forgot Israel. You haven't posted anything for 2 days. Are you OK?)
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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These are all just made up numbers, as anyone who reads the article would realize. The number given by the CRSC is $806 billion.
Addition of two million vets to VA health care system, to now address their needs for life, is covered? How about debt on interest in the long term?
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:32 AM
 
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Any honest accounting of war costs has to include the initial appropriations as well as ongoing veteran health costs above and beyond what would have been expected without injuries from that war. So, it's certainly more expensive than just the "direct" numbers that get cited sometimes.

"WMDs" were an (intentionally) vague term during the propaganda campaign before the war began, but the most overheated rhetoric of all had to do with undisclosed nuclear or biological WMD. That was never found in Iraq. If it was, in fact, "shipped to Syria," we sure haven't seen the Syrian government dropping nuclear bombs on the rebels yet. So, that argument has also gone down the tubes. The last slender reed would be chemical agents, which were neither found in great quantity (Libya apparently had a lot more than Iraq ever did, and Syria already had its own stockpiles), were never deployed by the Iraqi military against US soldiers during the invasion (insurgents later tried to use chlorine gas in some of their bombings, but thankfully tended to get the dispersal techniques wrong), and were very much overshadowed by all the conventional munitions in Iraqi arms depots (many of which later became pieces of IEDs or car bombs).

Bush tends to get most of the blame due to the ancient principle that "the buck stops at the top," but it's true that many Democrats supported him with enthusiasm. Their own 2000 Democratic Vice Presidential nominee - Joe Lieberman - seemed even more excited about the Iraq war than Bush himself.

So the question is, which cross-party ideology most contributed to the calamity of the Iraq war? Because if we can figure out that, we might be wary when it shows up again in the future. And the answer would be foreign policy interventionist neoconservatism. "Neocon" gets thrown around way too casually, but the specific neoconservative doctrine of enthusiastic foreign interventionism was a big motivating factor in the runup to war. So, when we see similar doctrines being pushed today, we can think back to the Iraq experience, and stay wary.

As for Iraq itself, it's still a mess:

Violence in Iraq Swells at Year’s End, Leaving at Least 3 Dozen Dead

As a wise woman once asked, "How's that regime-changey stuff workin' out for ya?"
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The nine-year-old Iraq war came to an official end on Thursday, but paying for it will continue for decades until U.S. taxpayers have shelled out an estimated $4 trillion.

Over a 50-year period, that comes to $80 billion annually.

Altogether, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost the U.S. between $4 trillion and $6 trillion, more than half of which would be due to the fighting in Iraq, said Neta Crawford, a political science professor at Brown University.

Her numbers, which are backed by similar studies at Columbia and Harvard universities, estimate the U.S. has already spent $2 trillion on the wars after including debt interest and the higher cost of veterans’ disabilities.

Iraq war ends with a $4 trillion IOU - MarketWatch
We spotted them in Libya but after the drone invasion they disappeared.
They seem to have surfaced now in Syria though..the next "bad boy" country on our list of potential invasions.
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