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Old 01-04-2013, 09:28 AM
 
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I wonder how many of his Diamonds are blood diamonds or have been the cause of human suffering,through economic slavery, caused deaths, war, injuries, small children made to work in South African mines, the total destruction of people's environments and natural habitats for his God's creatures..... I am sure of course our dear poster only sells lab created diamonds ( and only for scientific uses) , the only way to ensure pain free diamonds on this planet. The destruction unleashed by diamond ( and other precious stones) industries and their spin-off businesses has to be one of the biggest sin on the planet. Selling little pieces of carbon which cause death, suffering, and war just for vanity and so that some shallow human beings can display their wealth and bling.

Yep, I am pretty sure Yahweh would approve !! Such a spriritual way to lead one's life....

On balance between the enslavement of native populations, appalling work conditions, environmental destruction, war, and every single kind of human suffering you can imagine caused by the production of shiny little baubbles and allowing two consenting adults who love each other to marry I think I will chose the "latter" sin. A little perspective and a good look in the mirror might not be a bad thing for our NY Jewish friend.



If NYJew is truly worried about sins and sinners I suggest another line of work for him because selling diamonds is about as dirty as it gets. Blood on his hands. But heck as long as there is profit in it who bloody cares hey ?

Amazing how bigots always justify their prejudices and discrimination by hiding behind the skirts of their religion ! The hypocrisy is eye watering. It would almost be hilarious if not so darn scary and abhorrent. Perfect fodder for satirists this thread methinks.


This forum never ceases to amaze me, we never seem to reach the bottom of that barrel of rotten fruits, the abyss of human moral decrepitude never quite plumbed to its dark depths. Hypocrisy so rampant it makes you want to remove yourself from all human company and exile yourself to a remote corner of the world to avoid contagion by association.

Bigot cooties. Shudder.....

Being moralised about morality and sin by a diamond merchant. Oh the Humanity !!!

The sodomy aspect also makes me smile, as so many straight people engage in this sexual practice ( and many Gay men do not BTW)whilst of course being Homosexual also encompasses Lesbians....

But funnily many men who have such a horror of Gay men seem quite happy to watch two women having sex ( though of course most of these "actresses" are usually straight and simply doing what pays, so much more "moral" than committed Gay couples) and porn feeds on this discrepancy in consistency when it comes to same sex sex....
I'm not in the diamond industry but thanks for confirming your anti semtisim.

 
Old 01-04-2013, 09:32 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Don't feel bad, I'm an Anti-Semite according to him too, and I'm Jewish.
Reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where Uncle Leo calls everyone an anti-Semite.

If anyone is an anti-Semite it would be the guy who perpetuates every single negative stereotype in the book about Jewish people.

Considering that ISRAEL has public opinion on the side of legalized gay marriage and American Jews support it with over 80% in favor of legal gay marriage, it would appear that he's the odd man out.

His views are far more in line with Islamist countries than any other, as Israel recognizes gay divorces already and is already is recognizing gay marriages performed abroad.

But according to that guy, Israel will NEVER recognize gay marriage, right? Hmmmm....
 
Old 01-04-2013, 09:37 AM
 
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Then don't help a sin take place. The law in NY allows you to refuse to participate based on religions belief. but you cannot dictate to others how to live their lives. Also, as you pointed out in another post, it depends on the religion of those involved. Perhaps for their beliefs, it is NOT a sin to be in a gay marriage, in which case you would NOT be helping them to commit a sin. Unless of course your intent is to force the rules of your religion on everyone else, something which you would object to if done to you.
IN regards to NY law it does not allow private individuals to refuse based on the their religion only religious institutions. the only law that prevents me from doing it is the first amendment which gay "rights" groups hate with a passion as can be evidenced on the blog.


you misunderstood what I said Judsim is against gay (one of Judaism universal laws) marriage form everybody so I can't help out in, as opposed to others action which has different Jewish law between Jews and non Jews. If your truly interested in understanding (on a basic level) Jewish law it would take a about a year. If you not interested just except what I'm saying as Jewish law.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 09:40 AM
 
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Convenient to include the world when talking HIV transmission; not convenient when discussing the # of nations with legal ssm.

In the U.S., male to male sexual contact accountss for the vast majority of HIV transmission and AIDS.
Which doesn't mean gays, and half of those cases are among black women.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 09:40 AM
 
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When you hold it as a given that anyone you do "commerce" with must adhere to YOUR religious rules rather than their own, then yes, you cannot teach in the public school system.
and you hold that everyone must adhere with your atheist laws.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 09:41 AM
 
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and you hold that everyone must adhere with your atheist laws.
Secular laws are the law of the land in every Western nation. Deal with it, or move.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Wappingers Falls, NY
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IN regards to NY law it does not allow private individuals to refuse based on the their religion only religious institutions. the only law that prevents me from doing it is the first amendment which gay "rights" groups hate with a passion as can be evidenced on the blog.


you misunderstood what I said Judsim is against gay (one of Judaism universal laws) marriage form everybody so I can't help out in, as opposed to others action which has different Jewish law between Jews and non Jews. If your truly interested in understanding (on a basic level) Jewish law it would take a about a year. If you not interested just except what I'm saying as Jewish law.
Judaism is against gay marriage for Jews (assuming you're correct, which I will assume, since I'm an ignorant goy and all). Judaism has no right nor jurisdiction to make rules for Catholics, Protestants, Wiccans, Muslims, Aethiests, Buddhists, or any other -ists outside of Judaism. That's life. Accept it. You don't get to tell others how to live their lives. Accept that. You wouldn't like it if someone told you how to live your life. In fact, that's your main complaint right this second. Afford others the same courtesy you're demanding for yourself.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 10:04 AM
 
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Really? can you provide CDC data to back up that claim? Why do Haitians have a high HIV rate as well? I guess they are only reproducing with themselves?
"Although males who have sex with males [MSM] represent about 7% of the male population in the United States, in 2010 MSM accounted for 78% of the new HIV infections among males."

HIV Incidence | Statistics and Surveillance | Topics | CDC HIV/AIDS

Why would anyone who doesn't know HIV/AIDS in the U.S. affects a higher % of gay than straight men bother to discuss the subject. Worse than that are the deniers who know the truth, but fiddle and diddle around the facts with worldwide figures or pretending the bulk of MSM aren't gay men.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 10:08 AM
 
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"Although males who have sex with males [MSM] represent about 7% of the male population in the United States, in 2010 MSM accounted for 78% of the new HIV infections among males."

HIV Incidence | Statistics and Surveillance | Topics | CDC HIV/AIDS

Why would anyone who doesn't know HIV/AIDS in the U.S. affects a higher % of gay than straight men bother to discuss the subject. Worse than that are the deniers who know the truth, but fiddle and diddle around the facts with worldwide figures or pretending the bulk of MSM aren't gay men.
How do you know they're not bisexual? Seeing as the largest groups affected are black women who get infected by their husbands on the down low, not sure why you're ignoring the reality of the suppressed bisexuals.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 10:09 AM
 
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Judaism is against gay marriage for Jews (assuming you're correct, which I will assume, since I'm an ignorant goy and all). Judaism has no right nor jurisdiction to make rules for Catholics, Protestants, Wiccans, Muslims, Aethiests, Buddhists, or any other -ists outside of Judaism. That's life. Accept it. You don't get to tell others how to live their lives. Accept that. You wouldn't like it if someone told you how to live your life. In fact, that's your main complaint right this second. Afford others the same courtesy you're demanding for yourself.
Actually, only Orthodox are against gay marriage. Reform (the largest Jewish division in North America), Reconstructionist, and a lot of Conservatives have no problem with it.

However, NYJew doesn't consider anyone who isn't Orthodox as a valid Jew, so his opinion is pretty meaningless.
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