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Old 01-02-2013, 03:24 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Discrimination against gay/lesbian violates civil rights.

 
Old 01-02-2013, 03:31 PM
 
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Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim View Post
Here's Part II of the article posted here (closed thread).

"This disturbing pattern of hostility to religious FREEDOM should leave little doubt as to the consequences of broader enactment of homosexual marriage: it can only mean fewer freedoms for men and women of religious conviction ... As the fertility specialist in California, the photographer in New Mexico, the justices of the peace in Massachusetts could all testify, when anti-anti-homosexual principles triumph, Americans asked to engage in acts that would violate their conscience by implying acceptance or endorsement of homosexual acts cannot even respond with that precious shred of self-preserving liberty that Herman Melville’s Bartleby the Scrivener claims with the simple words, 'I prefer not to.'”

Though profoundly unwise, our laws already permit homosexuals to do whatever they want, even to call themselves "married" if they like. But that's not what the same-sex "marriage" crusade is about. As this article clearly demonstrates, same-sex "marriage" is about the rest of us, about crushing dissent, about eliminating any and all public space in which homosexuality is not approved. You. Must. Approve.


Apparently, it eludes you that, since some religions recognize same-sex marriage, to theno deny the legality is, by your tortured 'logic', also a denial of religious freedom.

But since we're talking about civil, not religious, marriage, your entire 'argument' is completely nonsensical.

Man, it must suck to see your archaic biases being tossed by society into history's dustbin...
 
Old 01-02-2013, 03:35 PM
 
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Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim View Post
Here's Part II of the article posted here (closed thread).

"This disturbing pattern of hostility to religious freedom should leave little doubt as to the consequences of broader enactment of homosexual marriage: it can only mean fewer freedoms for men and women of religious conviction ... As the fertility specialist in California, the photographer in New Mexico, the justices of the peace in Massachusetts could all testify, when anti-anti-homosexual principles triumph, Americans asked to engage in acts that would violate their conscience by implying acceptance or endorsement of homosexual acts cannot even respond with that precious shred of self-preserving liberty that Herman Melville’s Bartleby the Scrivener claims with the simple words, 'I prefer not to.'”

Though profoundly unwise, our laws already permit homosexuals to do whatever they want, even to call themselves "married" if they like. But that's not what the same-sex "marriage" crusade is about. As this article clearly demonstrates, same-sex "marriage" is about the rest of us, about crushing dissent, about eliminating any and all public space in which homosexuality is not approved. You. Must. Approve.
I am not sure I understand - homosexuals getting married takes away your freedom?
 
Old 01-02-2013, 03:38 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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I am not sure I understand - homosexuals getting married takes away your freedom?
Yes, it takes away his freedom to live in a country whose laws reflect his belief that homosexuality should be persecuted and prosecuted -- not one in which gay people are allowed to live freely and openly and enjoy the same full civil rights as any other American.

That, apparently, is the "freedom" that is being infringed here.
 
Old 01-02-2013, 03:38 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim View Post
Here's Part II of the article posted here (closed thread).

"This disturbing pattern of hostility to religious freedom should leave little doubt as to the consequences of broader enactment of homosexual marriage: it can only mean fewer freedoms for men and women of religious conviction ... As the fertility specialist in California, the photographer in New Mexico, the justices of the peace in Massachusetts could all testify, when anti-anti-homosexual principles triumph, Americans asked to engage in acts that would violate their conscience by implying acceptance or endorsement of homosexual acts cannot even respond with that precious shred of self-preserving liberty that Herman Melville’s Bartleby the Scrivener claims with the simple words, 'I prefer not to.'”

Though profoundly unwise, our laws already permit homosexuals to do whatever they want, even to call themselves "married" if they like. But that's not what the same-sex "marriage" crusade is about. As this article clearly demonstrates, same-sex "marriage" is about the rest of us, about crushing dissent, about eliminating any and all public space in which homosexuality is not approved. You. Must. Approve.
Grow up and stop hounding this beast. You and I mean you, keep posting over and over anything about your hatred towards gay people. Were you abused as a child and are taking this out on all and any gays? Give it up. The treads get closed because of all the extreme hatred that ends up being spewed about. We gay men and women are humans too, we pay taxes too, we deserve the same respect and treatment, not to be constantly belittled and denegrated. Your marriage will not change because a gay couple gets a marriege license from the federal government. Your freedoms are not removed, but we attain some that we are denied. It is called equality for everyone, not just straight people.
 
Old 01-02-2013, 03:39 PM
 
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I am not sure I understand - homosexuals getting married takes away your freedom?
Here ya go (Fischer starts talking at the 45 second mark if you want to skip the commentary):


Bryan Fischer: If Gays Aren't Discriminated Against, Christians Will Be - YouTube
 
Old 01-02-2013, 03:40 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Yes, it takes away his freedom to live in a country whose laws reflect his belief that homosexuals should be imprisoned -- not allowed to live freely and openly, much less enjoy the same full civil rights as any other American.

That, apparently, is the "freedom" that is being infringed here.
Same as the other GOP paranoia. If Obama is re-elected he'll come and take your guns. Freedom and Liberty will be gone forever.

Right.........

You think you lost your freedom.....

Right.........
 
Old 01-02-2013, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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Default hmmm

never saw a law that was to be enacted that forced religious organizations to recognize same-sex marriage or that they had to perform same-sex marriage. So how does two people that you most likely will never encounter infringes on your freedom? Seems to me like you are infringing on others' and trying to give an excuse that the bible says it's wrong so you're right on not giving another person the freedom to do as they wish and to be happy.
 
Old 01-02-2013, 03:50 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim View Post
Here's Part II of the article posted here (closed thread).

"This disturbing pattern of hostility to religious freedom should leave little doubt as to the consequences of broader enactment of homosexual marriage: it can only mean fewer freedoms for men and women of religious conviction ... As the fertility specialist in California, the photographer in New Mexico, the justices of the peace in Massachusetts could all testify, when anti-anti-homosexual principles triumph, Americans asked to engage in acts that would violate their conscience by implying acceptance or endorsement of homosexual acts cannot even respond with that precious shred of self-preserving liberty that Herman Melville’s Bartleby the Scrivener claims with the simple words, 'I prefer not to.'”

Though profoundly unwise, our laws already permit homosexuals to do whatever they want, even to call themselves "married" if they like. But that's not what the same-sex "marriage" crusade is about. As this article clearly demonstrates, same-sex "marriage" is about the rest of us, about crushing dissent, about eliminating any and all public space in which homosexuality is not approved. You. Must. Approve.
Again, we ask you this for the 500th time: HOW DOES A GAY COUPLE IN CALIFORNIA GETTING MARRIED MAKE YOU LESS FREE?

Until you can answer that, you're just trolling with your primitive cult-based homophobia. Grow up.
 
Old 01-02-2013, 03:55 PM
 
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Well, if one is scared that people will be turned into rampaging homosexuals by the bite they receive in the light of the full moon... sure, there goes freedom into the grave without access to precious garlic or curative wolfsbane.

I hate the idea of marriage no matter who wants to enter into it for whatever reason. It's time is done as a cultural practice and whether theists or same-sexers know that is irrelevant. It just is and statistics prove it. Certainly sociology does and the laxity it has shown as truth when it comes to the 'sanctity' of marriage.

But I do believe that when people are scared they react defensively. I don't believe anyone has to approve same-sexers being together any more than they would back when greasers would show a natural interest in the preacher's daughter. It will happen or it won't and so what? The less people look at others as if they are communal property rigidly performing obligatory duties or believe that others should be keeping a proper public face is necessary for someone else's selfish personal comfort, the better we all will be.

Other than that, I agree WesternPilgrim: worked correctly with some small tweaks to the system, same-sexers can get married today. They simply want approval from those they feel subjugate them, so clamor on for the official use of the adjective that will define them as 'normal', the word 'married'.
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