
01-02-2013, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by italianuser
Wow, a conservative article: it must be reliable  ... few underpopulated states have low murder rates (some of them have also stricter gun laws such as Rhode Island and Hawaii) 
Great, post the murder rates of southern states.
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Do you understand the difference between murders and murder rates?
I would like you to point out the errors or flaws in this article. Love to see them.
Here, murder rate by state. Mind if I point out the murder rate for Washington DC si 5, 6 and 10 times of other heavily armed states such as Texas and Utah. :-)
http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/12s0308.pdf
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01-02-2013, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer
Do you understand the difference between murders and murder rates?
I would like you to point out the errors or flaws in this article. Love to see them.
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In fact the article confirms that USA has overall a higher murder rate than Western and Southern Europe's one.
The author is quite honest, after all.
It doesn't anyway explain why USA has such a higher occurence of gun massacres.
Easy availability of guns doesn't play a role, I suppose 
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01-02-2013, 01:26 PM
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Can we stop this ridiculous notion that people who served somehow deserve their opinions be respected more than others. This letter is completely disrespectful, distasteful, and disingenuous.
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01-02-2013, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by italianuser
In fact the article confirms that USA has overall a higher murder rate than Western and Southern Europe's one.
The author is quite honest, after all.
It doesn't anyway explain why USA has such a higher occurence of gun massacres.
Easy availability of guns doesn't play a role, I suppose 
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It doesn't because there's no correlation or causation. Massacres can be done by bombs, cars, fires and guns. Singling out guns is only to mislead.
Murder is murder regardless it's done by what kind of weapon or no weapon at all. Focusing on one particular way of murder is meaningless.
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01-02-2013, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer;27588881
[URL
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0308.pdf[/url]
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This is updated
Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center
Anyway, comparing a city with a state... congratulations, another case of cherry-picking...
What about if I compare Hawaii's crime rate with one of the countless high crime city - in Re(publitar)d states - such as Saint Louis, Birmingham and New Orleans? 
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01-02-2013, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer
It doesn't because there's no correlation or causation. Massacres can be done by bombs, cars, fires and guns. Singling out guns is only to mislead.
Murder is murder regardless it's done by what kind of weapon or no weapon at all. Focusing on one particular way of murder is meaningless.
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Yeah, keep repeating yourself this garbage... the NRA has successfully brainwashed a lot of americans.
We all know that in other developed countries there are several massacres done by bombs, cars, fires, dolls, candy bars etc etc 
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01-02-2013, 01:38 PM
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Then show me something that is meaningful, i.e. more guns equals more murder.
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01-02-2013, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer
Then show me something that is meaningful, i.e. more guns equals more murder.
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er... USA's murder rate vs the rest of developed world's one? 
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01-02-2013, 01:44 PM
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Location: Portland, Oregon
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I respect him for serving our country but am I still free to disagree with him?
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01-02-2013, 01:45 PM
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Location: Eastern NC
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Can we stop this ridiculous notion that people who served somehow deserve their opinions be respected more than others. This letter is completely disrespectful, distasteful, and disingenuous.
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Exactly, recently where I live a Marine killed a baby because he was cryign to much, should that Marine's opinion be respected because he wore a uniform? According to Old Army, his opinion should be respected. 
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