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Old 01-02-2013, 12:20 PM
 
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Wow, a conservative article: it must be reliable ... few underpopulated states have low murder rates (some of them have also stricter gun laws such as Rhode Island and Hawaii)
Great, post the murder rates of southern states.
Do you understand the difference between murders and murder rates?

I would like you to point out the errors or flaws in this article. Love to see them.

Here, murder rate by state. Mind if I point out the murder rate for Washington DC si 5, 6 and 10 times of other heavily armed states such as Texas and Utah. :-)

http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/12s0308.pdf
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:24 PM
 
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Do you understand the difference between murders and murder rates?

I would like you to point out the errors or flaws in this article. Love to see them.
In fact the article confirms that USA has overall a higher murder rate than Western and Southern Europe's one.
The author is quite honest, after all.
It doesn't anyway explain why USA has such a higher occurence of gun massacres.
Easy availability of guns doesn't play a role, I suppose
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:26 PM
 
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Can we stop this ridiculous notion that people who served somehow deserve their opinions be respected more than others. This letter is completely disrespectful, distasteful, and disingenuous.
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:31 PM
 
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In fact the article confirms that USA has overall a higher murder rate than Western and Southern Europe's one.
The author is quite honest, after all.
It doesn't anyway explain why USA has such a higher occurence of gun massacres.
Easy availability of guns doesn't play a role, I suppose
It doesn't because there's no correlation or causation. Massacres can be done by bombs, cars, fires and guns. Singling out guns is only to mislead.

Murder is murder regardless it's done by what kind of weapon or no weapon at all. Focusing on one particular way of murder is meaningless.
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:32 PM
 
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Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center
Anyway, comparing a city with a state... congratulations, another case of cherry-picking...
What about if I compare Hawaii's crime rate with one of the countless high crime city - in Re(publitar)d states - such as Saint Louis, Birmingham and New Orleans?
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:34 PM
 
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It doesn't because there's no correlation or causation. Massacres can be done by bombs, cars, fires and guns. Singling out guns is only to mislead.

Murder is murder regardless it's done by what kind of weapon or no weapon at all. Focusing on one particular way of murder is meaningless.
Yeah, keep repeating yourself this garbage... the NRA has successfully brainwashed a lot of americans.
We all know that in other developed countries there are several massacres done by bombs, cars, fires, dolls, candy bars etc etc
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:38 PM
 
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Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center
Anyway, comparing a city with a state... congratulations, another case of cherry-picking...
What about if I compare Hawaii's crime rate with one of the countless high crime city - in Re(publitar)d states - such as Saint Louis, Birmingham and New Orleans?
Then show me something that is meaningful, i.e. more guns equals more murder.
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:40 PM
 
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Then show me something that is meaningful, i.e. more guns equals more murder.
er... USA's murder rate vs the rest of developed world's one?
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I respect him for serving our country but am I still free to disagree with him?
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Can we stop this ridiculous notion that people who served somehow deserve their opinions be respected more than others. This letter is completely disrespectful, distasteful, and disingenuous.
Exactly, recently where I live a Marine killed a baby because he was cryign to much, should that Marine's opinion be respected because he wore a uniform? According to Old Army, his opinion should be respected.
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