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Old 01-04-2013, 09:08 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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The Zionists believe they are the chosen ones.


I doubt you even know what that means...
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:17 PM
 
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Since when does Jewish automatically = Zionist? I've asked this before (since people like you always call us Zionists), but have yet to receive a straight answer. You do know the difference, right?
Right wing Jewish Americans that would smear Paul would likely be Zionists.

Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Where are you getting that being Jewish = Zionism? I don't think that.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:54 PM
 
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In short

Zionism is basically a form of nationalism that advocates for a Jewish state in the land of Israel.

Judaism is religious/cultural world view.
I've never met a Jew in my life that condemned the ideal of a Jewish state.

I've never seen any actively speak out against it aside from Noam Chomsky and Norm Finklestein.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:57 PM
 
Location: NC
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I've never met a Jew in my life that condemned the ideal of a Jewish state.

I've never seen any actively speak out against it aside from Noam Chomsky and Norm Finklestein.
Ok. I don't see what that has to do with my post. The point is that Zionism and Judaism are different. You can be a Zionist, but not be Jewish. In fact, in Israel there are quite a few Druze and Israeli Arabs who are strongly Zionist and in the US there are many Christians who are Zionists.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:57 PM
 
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I've never met a Jew in my life that condemned the ideal of a Jewish state.

I've never seen any actively speak out against it aside from Noam Chomsky and Norm Finklestein.
Then you need to subscribe to the twitter feeds of max blumenthal, and glenn greenwald
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Hmmm, doesn't EVERYONE believe they're "God's chosen people"?
(except Atheists ...)

Are there any people who believe they're "God's wretched refuse"?
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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They should be glad they're not getting the like of Al Gore.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:06 PM
 
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Watch how Glenn Greenwald destroys these Israeli talking points.

I really admire GG. He's a force of nature.


Glenn Greenwald Destroys MSNBC's Eliot Spitzer - YouTube
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:29 PM
 
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Ok. I don't see what that has to do with my post. The point is that Zionism and Judaism are different. You can be a Zionist, but not be Jewish. In fact, in Israel there are quite a few Druze and Israeli Arabs who are strongly Zionist and in the US there are many Christians who are Zionists.
I'm aware you can be Zionist and not be Jewish. But how many Druze are there? They are fringe.

Same with Jesuits. Or any Christian Zionists....

Would you say there are more Athiest Democrats or Atheist Republicans?

There are way more Jews that support an Israeli State than not!

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Watch how Glenn Greenwald destroys these Israeli talking points.

I really admire GG. He's a force of nature.


Glenn Greenwald Destroys MSNBC's Eliot Spitzer - YouTube
Any Jew that steps up in the face of Anti-Semite and the "self loathing jew" vilifications to speak truth is a highly respectable person, in my book. Good stuff... Never seen Greenwald talk.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:32 PM
 
Location: NC
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I'm aware you can be Zionist and not be Jewish. But how many Druze are there? They are fringe.

Same with Jesuits. Or any Christian Zionists....

Would you say there are more Athiest Democrats or Atheist Republicans?

There are way more Jews that support an Israeli State than not!
I am still confused as to what your getting at? A poster asked what is the difference between Judaism and Zionism, and I answered as best I could that Judaism is a religious and cultural world view and Zionism is a form of nationalism that promotes the idea of a Jewish state in the land of Israel.

Do you have any problems with this or are you just trying to stir up controversy?
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