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Old 01-05-2013, 03:35 PM
 
Location: North East
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Schadenfreude, if nobody is buying the GOP message, you can blame the tea party fools for that.
Even you yourself don't believe that BS.

Both Democrats and Republicans are big reckless spenders destroying the average joe, yet you have the b**ls to go after the tea party. Where is the freaking shame these days..

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Old 01-05-2013, 07:36 PM
 
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That's what the Republican Party is becoming and is why its inching closer and closer to complete irrelevance. Far more moderate Republicans are becoming Democrats than the opposite. Another older friend of mine from California who was a staunch Republican since the Reagan era has switched to the Democratic party because of social issues.
I used to vote Democrat and now I vote Republican because the Dems have become much too dictatorial for me. I really don't want the government telling me what kind of health insurance I need or dictating to businesses what kind of health insurance they need to give their employees. I really want the government to stay the heck out of my personal life. I personally don't think the government is the answer to all of our problems. If anything, government is the problem.

What I see happening is freedom loving candidates(i.e: Ron Paul, Rand Paul, and perhaps Gary Johnson) will become increasingly popular with the segment of the US population who can still think for themselves.
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Old 01-05-2013, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Are we all forced to like gays now? What's the issue with that if that's his wish?

I'm sure you like things i dont like and vice versa..

I don't care if you like Asians, you still have to accept them, that goes for gays and lesbians too.
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Old 01-05-2013, 08:07 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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As spineless and unprincipled as the Republicans may be, believe me they're far from dead. While it's true that 50% of the voting public would follow the liberal Democrats off a cliff, the real reason the Republicans lost was because they threw the election. As sure as I'm sitting here, Mitt Romney was a fall guy, much like McCain was in 08. Mitt Romney, himself never even wanted to be President, one of his sons said so.

Despite being a fall guy, Romney still garnered ~47% of the popular vote. Republicans still have the House of Representatives. At the state level, Republicans control 30 governorships, 28 lower houses, and 30 upper houses. The party is far from dead. The only reason Republicans keep losing Presidential elections is because they keep putting up RINO candidates. If they were serious about winning an election and put up principled conservatives, they would wipe the floor with the Democrats.
Oh, you mean "principled conservatives" like Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, or Alan Keyes?

Any one of them could have beaten Obama?

What an interesting opinion you have!

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Old 01-05-2013, 09:56 PM
 
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If you look at the state of the nation today, you can see we are fast transitioning to a one-party nation. This current Congress (2013-14) will likely be the last one in which Republicans control the House. The Democratic Party is united in their agenda and most Americans are united behind them. The younger generation is nearly entirely bleeding heart liberal Democrats. The Republican party is dying fast and will soon be comprised of only fringe nuts.

As united as Democrats are and Americans in their support of the Democratic agenda, I don't see a split in the Democratic party in the near future creating a viable second party. Unlike Republicans that are split into three, sometimes incompatible factions, Democrats are united.

A lot of people suggest the GOP simply go liberal on social issues while retaining a platform of fiscal conservatism and the party could become relevant again. The problem is the older generation is still devoutly religious and many of them would never compromise their faith. They are least influenced by the mainstream media or what is considered popular or "cool" so there is absolutely nothing any liberals can do to change them. They still have a few more decades of life though, and by the time that generation begins to die off, it will be too late. The GOP is divided and nearly dead, and there is nothing anybody can do to change that. The moderate Republicans have become increasingly disgruntled with the religious faction of the party they are switching sides. Social issues are emotional issues so whether you admit it or not, they hold the most sway on BOTH sides.

If you look at history, one-party rule nearly always ends in a dictatorship. If you think it can't happen in America, you are wrong. All it would take is a Democratic party with a supermajority in both houses of Congress (likely in 2014 or at least 2016) to start having the power to pass Constitutional amendments. Power corrupts, and its not inconceivable in a future one-party nation for that party in power to start subverting checks and balances. This is especially true when more and more leftist Democrats start replace moderate ones.

The future does not look good. Our founding fathers did the best they could when drafting the Constitution. Democracy is an unsustainable form of government that can only last until the populace figures out they can vote themselves wealth rather than work for it. Our nation was set up with unique sets of checks and balances and if it wasn't for that, we would have had a dictatorship decades if not centuries ago. It's still not perfect though and we are on a fast track to tyranny and I believe we are past the point of no return.

We have the mainstream media, which controls the conscience of much of the nation especially the younger generation, to blame for this. The media is the biggest traitors of all because they are the ones that made this possible and they are the ones that are going to see it to the end.
We already have one party with two apparently contradictory wings that keep the politically excitable entertained & engrossed while dramatically opposing each other ideologically. It would appear greed is all they have in common, grabbing what they can and making certain the truly represented get theirs without question.

This is intentional, to foster the appearance that they have their own unique antithetical agendas that are fought over viciously, that there are investments both emotional and intellectual involved that must be supported & exhorted & combated over. The media, a class of obsessive salespeople/therapists in our society, blather endlessly to keep the belligerent & the over-thoughtful busy & idealistic, full of outrage or sympathy. It makes for good television, emboldened cultural warriors seeking theatres for battles bleating canned war-cries tossing talking points everywhere as they count ticket sales at the endof the week.

If you take away the power of one seemingly independent political organization of the scope of either the Democratic or Republican parties, you will have major issues. People put trust & faith into large political machines and to suddenly realize that there are no teeth behind the representation will make for interesting days polishing guns & patrolling neighbourhoods in case rebellious folk come to knock.

My guess is that soon the current Republican party will be muted then moot, barring substantial crises that may swing that tired pendulum back round. At that point, the influential members, supporters & financers of the GOP may shift toward the Libertarian party, which loves moral taxation and social engineering, too, while some may try to establish a traditionalist theological grassroots effort that may enjoy a short popularity, or remain viable just enough to be marginal. But it doesn't support the current game as it is played to simply embrace one party when two gives the advantages of having the US vs. Them representation ploy, at least for now. And outright antagonism at such a level can be a conflagatory arson hard to douse.

We are well past the point of no return, they have us used to 8-year periods of ideological representation with the 2000 election a straight-up steal, necessary since supporters of Gore, who wanted a Clinton redux, needed a little jet-cooling (and Gore wanted the Church of Climatology & bridges built for the Saudis in his diadem anyway) and certain mechanisms needed to be emplaced. Now, such overt coups will not only not be tolerated, they won't be necessary. One may guffaw at the thought, but even mainstream Republicans know they are done with traditionalists, those scared of godlessness and divine prophecies that never arrive, who want an exclusive uptight ghetto that alienates everyone, including those within their own communities sufficiently bright enough to want out from all the trite restrictions & quaint theistic limits. The young are more adventurous than ever and less faith-hugging than before, not entirely evil in and of itself. Just a realization that people have been having that no one should be the property of another, or be bound to another simply out of habit... or tradition. The fact that they may be too relaxed? Substantial. But tolerable, pliable, moldable... Welcome secular progressivism as a ground-floor pseudo-religion! Jupiter & jesus can now be seen sharing a commiserative beer... They mix at pubs in heaven & Olympus on alternating days watching the game.

Globally, you can't tell a billion hindus or a billion muslims or nearly a half-a-billion buddhists and however many others that jesus is the only game accepted in the marketplace of the world village. If people haven't noticed, globalism is the dominant movement of this century, actively being pursued. Those in power have simply diversified their portfolios when it comes to remaining dominant and keeping the US relevant in this new socio-economic reality, using its economic fulcrum as leverage. They have no use for people who will not train to operate anything other than a mill or a still or a mining cart, preaching religion while doing it since those are the only things they know. They need people who will work with various other ethnicities/nationalities to create global markets and work contentedly to maintain them. America's religious conservatives will simply have to understand that the political party that can embrace this goal will be pre-eminent since it fulfills required needs. The philosophy and religious flavor of christianity will not up & disappear overnight, but will take its rightful place alongside the older religions that contrbuted to it, as it already does with judaism, as islam does to christianity to a degree, coming 1,500 years after the Bethlehemian messiah. Fervent religiousness, gods better than other gods, thou-shalt-nots... no place in the modern world. Please cart that Crusades-mentality off to the soup kitchen and leave it there in the donation box. The Crusades are financial today. Actual blood being spilt is mostly unnecessary and quite devoutly hedonistic.

I'm not thrilled with liberal 'progressives' or any political party but enjoy the anthropolgical interweaving of spiritual beliefs; I find the former sadly confused about themselves and the in-between irrelevant unless used for networking or in an active-career participatory context. That is the limit to all those platforms & planks & blanket statements exist for as I'd rather walk a walk than bloviate over agreed-upon dictums with co-conspirators. The last ought to be much more benevolent than not, if it is about creation & life & freedom. If not... why not? Leave the crucifying properly to Rome- they had it mastered a couple of millenia ago.

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It will likely be a silken tyranny, full of technological encumbrances and pharmaceutical paradises. A relaxed people sitting in piles of luxury makes for the very best quality in worker-drones...

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Old 01-05-2013, 10:02 PM
 
Location: North East
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I don't care if you like Asians, you still have to accept them, that goes for gays and lesbians too.
Look.. why are gays and lesbians even a freaking topic? That's what you should be asking...

Us humans go from complete hate to stuffing our throughts with senseless items that make zero difference.

Do you know anyone that hurts these people? I don't... it's a freaking non topic, get over it ok?

Gays and lesbians are not freaking special and just like you dont give a crap about me, i dont give a crap about them.
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:15 PM
 
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I don't care if you like Asians, you still have to accept them, that goes for gays and lesbians too.
Never forget that monotheists must by necessity ponder & fixate upon differences that can be corrected, brought into line. How else could they maintain that they will receive entry into heaven by staying true & faithful unto whatever one true lord they feel blessed by?
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:19 PM
 
Location: NJ
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For POTUS and Senate, we have one party already. Demographics was the game changer.

Dems will not get the House back until 2016, at which point, 2017 = 2009. Democratic party with POTUS, 60 Senate seats, plus the House.
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:25 PM
 
Location: NC
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For POTUS and Senate, we have one party already. Demographics was the game changer.

Dems will not get the House back until 2016, at which point, 2017 = 2009. Democratic party with POTUS, 60 Senate seats, plus the House.
The GOP could get the Senate in 2014 if they sweep the tossups, granted they would lose it again in 2016.
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:28 PM
 
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The media has always been a for profit enterprise from America's very first news sheets. And our voters have always tried to find ways to tap into the public largesse in some fashion or another from the beginning as well.

Somehow though, democracy has managed to persevere despite the presence of both.

Is there any evidence that Americans have ever favored a dictatorship? If there is, I can't think of any. Our two party system seems to be strong enough to prevent a dictatorship from ever happening, and I don't see anyone who is willing to live under a dictatorship now at all. Our forefathers sure didn't either, and they had several opportunities to give all the hassles of democracy up for life in a dictatorship.

Our political parties have a way of morphing to match the times and still hold to a few basic principles. Both have gotten very distorted in the past, but eventually both have self-cleansed.

Neither are the same as they were in my youth, and I voted for the first time in 1968. it always takes time, but they always come around. I don't expect any difference in that ability in the future.

And, if the Democrats are all bleeding hearts, a dictatorship under their control would be quite gentle, benevolent, and wussy, wouldn't it?
An old-school dictatorship would never work in America: We don't worship a single person in sufficient numbers & would react negatively if one person became too self-important. Witness the current presider, it is a democratic affair balanced upon a thin margin with skirmishing distractions getting things accomplished or not accomplished.

Look at what Bush did in his eight years. Same difference with a questionable first election win but without race & foreign-born socialist politics in consideration. He was a known commodity, white, well-off & had a familiar family. But nothing he didn't charm himself out of or dim-down by acting... well, dim.
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