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Old 01-13-2013, 06:13 AM
 
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The parties have become republican = conservative and democrat = liberal to a large degree. It hasn't always been that way.

For example LBJ needed the help of the liberal Republicans to pass the Civil Rights Act. Conservative southern democrats wouldn't vote for it, and LBJ got the help of the liberal republican, that along with liberal democrats passed the bill.

Some of the conserative democrats left the demo party and became dixie democrats and some republicans. Some conservative democrats changed their spots and said they were more moderate if not liberal, remaining in the democrat party.

Then Nixon ran on the Southern Strategy, and republicans have been painted as southern conservatives since then to a large degree.
What is funny is that so called liberal LBJ basically killed Ike's 1957 Civil Rights Act by taking all of the teeth out.

Did LBJ realize his racist ways, or was it a political move to lock up the loyalty of black voters?

A higher percentage of Republicans voted for the 1957 and 1964 Civil Rights Acts than Democrats.
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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He also bailed out ltcm and the s & l's, huge successess.
Interesting how Republicans look at Solandra, that cost $500 million, as an example of a huge Obama failure but determined that bailing out S&Ls, that cost the taxpayers $87.9 billion (in 1990 dollars,) as a huge Reagan success.
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:22 AM
 
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You're ignoring the OPs statement. The parties switched platforms. Republicans have a long history of being liberal, while Democrats have a long history of Conservatism. It was still Liberalism that led to all those changes. We're not talking about party names, because their ideology fluctuates over time.
The OP has the maturity of a child and his entire point is based on ignoring and flaming.

The Democrats claimed to be liberal in the 1850s as they supported the common man by wanting lower tariffs. The Democrats claimed to be liberal in the 1890s as they supported silver and etc for the little man. All while they play the poor whites against the poor blacks to stir up votes with class/race warfare.

1950s the majority of Democrats wanted a weak Civil Rights Act, the majority of Republicans wanted a strong Civil Rights Act...Democrats claim to be the more liberal party in the 1950s.

Democrats are still the champions of stirring up class warfare. Obama broke every voter down into a niche group. Look at his emails and how he asks for you to check all of the boxes that apply to what you are...(white isn't a question, but other minorities are) then he sends you messages about the GOP creating a war against you.
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Warren County, NJ
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What is funny is that so called liberal LBJ basically killed Ike's 1957 Civil Rights Act by taking all of the teeth out.

Did LBJ realize his racist ways, or was it a political move to lock up the loyalty of black voters?

A higher percentage of Republicans voted for the 1957 and 1964 Civil Rights Acts than Democrats.
I am reading a biography on LBJ now,and from what I've read,he believed in the Civil Rights bill,but knew he wasn't going to get it done all at once.It was going to have to be done in stages.He alienated the southern states,but many northeast liberals didn't like him either.They couldn't believe a white man from Texas could care about black people,but he did.He also cared greatly about the poor.The Great Society was about a hand up,not a hand out.He never meant for able bodied people to spend their lives on welfare.If it wasn't for Viet Nam,He might have been remembered as a good President.
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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What is funny is that so called liberal LBJ basically killed Ike's 1957 Civil Rights Act by taking all of the teeth out.

Did LBJ realize his racist ways, or was it a political move to lock up the loyalty of black voters?

A higher percentage of Republicans voted for the 1957 and 1964 Civil Rights Acts than Democrats.
According to Civil Rights Act of 1957 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia the Act was primarily a voting rights bill. The 1964 bill was far more extensive and barred racial discrimination in housing, schools, employment and public facilities -- like restaurants. To exclaim that the 1964 Act was weaker than the 1957 Act is just false.

Yes, a higher percentage of Republicans voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Acts than Democrats. That's because, at the time, there was something called liberal or moderate Republicans (Rockefeller Republicans) like NY Senator Jacob Javits, Illinois Senator Charles H. Percy, Oregon Senator Mark Hatfield, Arkansas Governor Winthrop Rockefeller, and President Richard Nixon. These type of Republicans are extinct now.

If one looks at it by region, we see that the South was dominated by conservative Democrats that voted against the Act, while Northern Democrats and Northern Republicans voted for it. Then, there were only 10 Southern House Republicans and one Southern Senate Republican, who all voted against the Act. As the OP pointed out, the divide is not Democrat/Republican. It is conservative/liberal.

The House version:

Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)

Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)
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Old 01-13-2013, 07:44 AM
 
Location: North East
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Interesting how Republicans look at Solandra, that cost $500 million, as an example of a huge Obama failure but determined that bailing out S&Ls, that cost the taxpayers $87.9 billion (in 1990 dollars,) as a huge Reagan success.
I sure hope this was not meant to defend obama?
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:03 AM
 
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Cons do stupid things all the time. Like cutting SS benefits while cheerleading their free market ideology that crashed the global economy and ultimately blaming poor people for it.

Cons are idiots.
Droolers .... mindless, blathering, statist, perpetual 2 year olds stuck in a state of arrested development, whose response to every topic is a combination of grade school name calling, followed by a temper tantrum when confronted with an actual fact. This is the modern day liberal.

The counter clockwise, backward nature of the modern liberal mind defies adequate definition, though perfectly symbolized by their universal belief that "left" is "right". This is why it's so easy to convince them that up=down, and ignorance equals strength, because it's a natural progression. George Orwell's 1984 was his depiction of a future world where liberal thought dominated the society, and we are well on our way toward a time where Orwell will be considered an optimist.

Of course, none of this will make sense to a liberal, because you cannot reason with a group who suffers mass delusion and mental imbalance. To the liberal, left wing statist ideology is the only "reasonable" way to go, in spite of the fact that leftist totalitarian regimes such as Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Communist China, and North Korea, murdered over 200 Million people in just the 20th century alone ... and is historically, by far, the most evil and corrupt political/social ideology ever to infect the human mind, offering nothing but depravation, destruction and death to whomever embraces its ideas.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:16 AM
 
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Conservatives said Medicare would bankrupt the taxpayer. Correct

Conservatives said the Great Society Programs have all failed. Correct

Conservatives said Obama would divide the country and not unite it. Correct
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Conservatives said Medicare would bankrupt the taxpayer. Correct

Conservatives said the Great Society Programs have all failed. Correct

Conservatives said Obama would divide the country and not unite it. Correct
Well, the country is divided because conservatives won't accept the legitimacy of a duly elected president. Just look at the prevalence of birther holdouts.

The Great Society programs are successes. If you disagree, ask seniors whether Medicare works. Ask whether Medicaid provides health care for the poor. Ask whether SNAP feeds hungry children. The answers will all be 'yes.'

Medicare is not bankrupting the country, increasing medical costs are. If Medicare fails so will private health insurance.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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Default And the fight continues

Yall just love starting ish amongst yourselves huh? I'm sure in a few moments if it has not happened already, I will glance in the forum and see a post how ignorant lefties or liberals are and how they destroy the world or the united states and whatnot, then of course the liberals will have a comeback, then again and again and again and again. Guess there will be no peace, forget the middle east, what about us western culture (well don't forget the middle east, just saying when will we have peace that we so want and think we are bringing to the middle east)
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