Images of an unregulated free market (China) (legal, solution, how much)
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A true free market would always end up in cronyism, with those with the biggest sticks on top.
Proof that it cannot work properly.
Government regulation against monopolies are necessary evils. Protecting against monopolies is, however, an unbelievably small part of what modern western governments currently do. Breaking monopolies into smaller subsidiaries is very different than the problems we currently have with government (aka, trying to take care of the specific needs of individual citizens).
Do you realize that the world is not black and white?
China is not an unregulated free market, but at least they got this part right according to conservatives: they have no environmental restrictions.
All conservatives know that there is no such thing as pollution. Just doesn't exist! It's like global warming and science...kooky liberal "fancy book-learnin" ideas!
You are exposing your ignorance and MSNBC fueled stereotypes. Millions of conservatives are also environmentalists.
You forget that George Bush led the effort to establish the world's largest marine sanctuary.
Government regulation against monopolies are necessary evils. Protecting against monopolies is, however, an unbelievably small part of what modern western governments currently do. Breaking monopolies into smaller subsidiaries is very different than the problems we currently have with government (aka, trying to take care of the specific needs of individual citizens).
Do you realize that the world is not black and white?
He does, people who believe in this "free market" don't. Free markets are NOT regulated markets. A market is either free or it isn't.
He does, people who believe in this "free market" don't. Free markets are NOT regulated markets. A market is either free or it isn't.
Not true at all. In fact, your post is silly. Free and regulated are opposite ends of a scale, not an on/off switch. About the only time a 100% free market could occur is with no government at all. China does not have a 100% free market - not even close. They have a huge number market controls and regulations.
It's one thing to trash their own country but quite another to trash every country around them, Myamar, Vietnam, Cambodia, Phillipines, clear cutting of forrests, mining, destroying fisheries.
I've definitely thought about that in respect to pollution. Air pollution doesn't see national boundaries and will hurt surrounding areas. I wouldn't be happy if China's crap was seeping over the border into my country.
We really have no need to look at China, our own history has plenty of examples like when the Chicago river caught fire or the practices that exacerbated the dust bowl and so on and so forth.
I mean, does anyone realize how many people (as a %) used to die from tainted food products? Here 90 years ago and in China now?
You have to understand though that there needs to be a balance, kind of like how we allow 65MPH when 55mph would clearly save lives. There must be a balanced assumption of risk\cost\reward.
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Government regulation against monopolies are necessary evils. Protecting against monopolies is, however, an unbelievably small part of what modern western governments currently do. Breaking monopolies into smaller subsidiaries is very different than the problems we currently have with government (aka, trying to take care of the specific needs of individual citizens).
Do you realize that the world is not black and white?
But that's the point isn't it, that conservatives always seem to argue for these glib, simplistic solutions (the Free Market, States Rights, Less Guv-mint, etc.), that is until we get down to the ''fine print''... aka ''necessary evils'', whose rights, which parts of guv-mint, etc.!
This is the unfortunate result of focusing entirely on "economic growth" and "jobs", minus environmental regulations or any other concern for the world around us, both present and future:
Your post reflects a total misunderstanding of free markets. China ranks #138 out of 171 countries in terms of economic freedom.
You really should do some research before posting.
Not true at all. In fact, your post is silly. Free and regulated are opposite ends of a scale, not an on/off switch. About the only time a 100% free market could occur is with no government at all. China does not have a 100% free market - not even close. They have a huge number market controls and regulations.
Your extreme statement destroys your credibility.
Your post is desperation, demonstrated by contradiction going from first to the third sentence, and an obligatory insertion in the middle. The ridiculous nature of your post is demonstrated by you assuming the following false:
"Free markets are NOT regulated markets. A market is either free or it isn't."
But this is somehow true:
"Free and regulated are opposite ends of a scale"
Sorry buddy, I'm not an idiot who is riding the boat you've been. Free markets don't exist for a reason: they can't. Call that extreme, but what does that get you? An opportunity to prove that it does? Well, please proceed.
As for China, there are (obviously) no pollution controls and penalties, or efforts by the government to stop the nuisance. That is a living example of the kind of government you demand, with the idea that corporations can be trusted towards public welfare. As I have said repeatedly, that idea should have died with Mussolini.
"unregulated free market" is redundant... It either is or it isn't....
LOL @ China being a free market.....
wow....
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