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Old 01-15-2013, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Baldock, hertfordshire, England
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while responsible for his own action (suicide) he was singled out by an overzealous career motivated prosecution.
IIRC he had made suicide attempts before all this blew up.

Presumably he was quite wealthy and could just 'dissapear' if it was the charges he was trying to escape from. Maybe thats what really happened here.
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Old 01-15-2013, 05:22 PM
 
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Not to mention Rapist and child abusers who are out in no time at all
Yeah, like the former cop in Colorado who a few days ago received a sentence of SEVEN YEARS for repeatedly sexually assaulting a 4-year-old boy over several months.

But "steal" some published academic articles and face 30 years !



Former police officer gets 7 years in child sex assault case - Journal Advocate
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Old 01-15-2013, 05:28 PM
 
Location: NoVA
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Don't you need the victim to press charges for there to be an actual crime?
Generally, the prosecutors try to take the victim's desires into account, but the answer is no. Matter of fact, in most states, in cases of domestic violence the law specifically says the victim has no say.

This guy does a better job explaining it than I could: Victim Is Not Pressing Charges: Why Am I Still Being Charged? | craigatkinsonlaw.com
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Old 01-15-2013, 05:32 PM
 
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Generally, the prosecutors try to take the victim's desires into account, but the answer is no. Matter of fact, in most states, in cases of domestic violence the law specifically says the victim has no say.

This guy does a better job explaining it than I could: Victim Is Not Pressing Charges: Why Am I Still Being Charged? | craigatkinsonlaw.com
In my opinion "stealing" the academic articles was a victimless crime anyway. These articles had already been published. They simply weren't accessible to the average person.
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:38 PM
 
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Yes, it is absolutely relevant. Since when have the circumstances of a crime been considered NOT relevant? The circumstances go to determining the charges and the potential sentence! Intent is significant.
If you walked into bank and stole 5 million dollars with the intention of giving it to the poor do you think the judicial sytem is going to care what your intentions were. The bottom line is you stole 5 million dollars.
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:41 PM
 
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This isn't the same at all. Scientists want their research articles disseminated as much as possible. In fact it used to be you could contact an author of a scientific paper and they would send you a free paper copy of their article. Now, I am sure most authors would be happy to e-mail you a copy of their article. But nowadays the exchange of information is so high volume, you shouldn't have to contact individual authors anymore.
They should pay the 5 bucks a month for domain and distribute it themselves, problem solved.

-or-

He could of advertised to the scientific community he was going to distribute them for free for them, again problem solved.
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:43 PM
 
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Maybe someday you'll finally realize that it's not a good thing to generalize so much, and maybe your enormously negative bias about liberals will be mitigated by some understanding that "liberals" are not all the same (unlike most far right conservatives).
Are you kidding? You're one of the most ardent supporters of Big Government on this forum. Nothing you say is without having some sort of reverence for government.
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Central Illinois -
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If you walked into bank and stole 5 million dollars with the intention of giving it to the poor do you think the judicial sytem is going to care what your intentions were. The bottom line is you stole 5 million dollars.

He didnt steal anything. This is an abuse of Proportionality on the prosecution.

By comparison, no one on Wall Street has been prosecuted for hundreds of billions of dollars in thefts and financial abuses in the 2008 Wall Street meltdown that affected millions of Americans.
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:45 PM
 
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Software is different than research, software is a program while research is knowledge. I think knowledge should be free to all, why keep it in the select hands of a few ?
Copyright law does not distinguish between a book or a scholarly article.
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:46 PM
 
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He didnt steal anything. This is an abuse of Proportionality on the prosecution.
If he had walked into a warehouse and stole 5 million printed copies is he a thief?
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