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Old 01-18-2013, 08:24 PM
 
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Can Ahmedinejad claim this for a nuclear weapon's program?
Ahmadinejad is not an American Citizen so not protected by the US Constitution's 2nd Amendment. However what right does the US Government or any other allied nation have to dictate what the Government of Iran does within its own borders, or any other country for that matter?
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:11 PM
 
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And terrorists get shoulder fired missiles, why isn't the NRA fighting for the right to own them?
Because NRA stands for "National Rifle Association" not National Shoulder Fired Missile Association. Nor are they obligated to protect your right to possess pistols, grenades, claymore mines, law rockets, cannons, machine-guns etc, etc, which is why they compromised on the Brady Bill the first time they imposed restrictions and background checks on American citizens. They actually may only obligated to fight for Rifles but that is still debatable and I'm not a member so I really can't say either way.
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:17 PM
 
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Exactly, so get rid of that old worn out document and get a new constitution that reflects today's REALITY.
The USA is not run in any constitutional manner anyways so what's keeping the country from an upgrade?
Congress! They are so afraid of losing their power that refuse to offer any changes to the constitution that is not likely to benefit them. Just as Harry Reid is afraid to let the the Budget or any health care bills come to the floor for a vote in the Senate.
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Planet Eaarth
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Does the 2nd amendment grant the right to bare ALL types of arms? Does it specify all types of rifles? Does it even mention rifles or handguns.. or missiles?

Why aren't missiles protected by the 2nd amendment? What about hollow point bullets? lets be consistent.
Does the 2nd amend give the right to own a Barrett 50 cal sniper rifle or a 50 cal machine gun? No, it does not.

But talk to a true gun nut and they would tell you yes it does.

There has to be some common sense applied to the ownership of guns but that's missing from the publics mindset.
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:31 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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This is the dodge always brought up by liberals who can't defend their restrictions, gun bans, etc., and who know their schemes are unconstitutional.
individuals have the right to purchase nuclear missiles right?
See? There goes another paranoid gun-hater, off on the usual hysterical ranting after he loses the debate.


BTW, in modern language, the 2nd amendment says that:

"Since an armed and capable populace is necessary for security and freedom, the right of ordinary people to own and carry guns and other such weapons cannot be taken away or restricted."

Liberals hate that, because it gives citizens power over government. In the liberal view, anything that renders government any less than all-powerful, is unacceptable... though they don't dare say why.
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Old 01-18-2013, 10:02 PM
 
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Does the 2nd amend give the right to own a Barrett 50 cal sniper rifle or a 50 cal machine gun? No, it does not.

But talk to a true gun nut and they would tell you yes it does.

There has to be some common sense applied to the ownership of guns but that's missing from the publics mindset.
For your information Barrett sold their .50 BMG rifles on civilian markets long before the Military started using them and they are still available on the civilian market if you have $4000-$7000 to buy one. Common sense dictates that the average person that spends more than $1000 for a gun isn't going to use it in the commission of a crime.

But talk to a bleeding heart gun grabbing liberal and they would tell you, "they would". Why would a criminal spend money to buy a gun when they can steal one for free?
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Old 01-18-2013, 10:17 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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Liberals hate that, because it gives citizens power over government. In the liberal view, anything that renders government any less than all-powerful, is unacceptable... though they don't dare say why.
Why do you keep repeating such nonsense?

I'm glad that you are with me in that the 2nd amendment gives citizens the right to have railguns, uzis, and bazookas.
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Old 01-18-2013, 10:31 PM
 
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The 2nd amendment was written for that age when there was no law enforcement and everyone had to defend themselves. Times have changed though and we need to adjust to that.
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Old 01-18-2013, 11:16 PM
 
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The 2nd amendment was written for that age when there was no law enforcement and everyone had to defend themselves. Times have changed though and we need to adjust to that.
with your logic then the rest of the first 9 Amendments are also out dated since they were all adopted in 1791. And if that is the case then we should also look at the first 7 Articles as they are more outdated since they were adopted in 1787. And Since we aren't going to recognize these outdated documents in our modern society, we can ignore laws passed by the legislative branch that are to be enforced by the executive branch and never try anyone for crimes under the judicial branch as they too are outdated organizations that need to be dismantled.

But before we go making accusations about outdated documents you should do a little research on the Magna Carta that was written in the year 1215, which is one of the documents our founding fathers used in the 1700's to pen the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution for the United States. And if they felt the 572 year old Magna Carta wasn't too old to use as a guide line for our founding documents then our Constitution is not outdated now.
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Old 01-19-2013, 10:04 AM
 
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Does the 2nd amend give the right to own a Barrett 50 cal sniper rifle or a 50 cal machine gun? No, it does not.

But talk to a true gun nut and they would tell you yes it does.

There has to be some common sense applied to the ownership of guns but that's missing from the publics mindset.
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