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When a foreigner migrates to a country illegally they aren't under that country's full jurisdiction aka allegience.
Get a freaking dictionary, allegiance is not a freaking synonym for freaking jurisdiction!
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Native Americans are full fledged U.S. citizens so what are you talking about?
Yeah, but not in 1866. The granting of American citizenship to native people didn't take place until the passage of the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924.
While you are looking for a dictionary, pick of a college level history book!
Is it just me who finds it so freaking ironic that those with the most patriotic sounding nicknames are the most ignorant of American history, the Constitution and the law?
What part of unless you are an Ambassador or a hostile enemy occupying US soil, you are are subject to our jurisdiction do you not grasp?
Are you an Ambassador? Are you occupying US SOil as an enemy combatant?
Are these immigrants Ambassadors? Are they occupying US soil as an enemy combatant?
If you answer no to any of these questions, then they are by definition, subject to our jurisdiction.
What you fail to understand is that IF they weren't, then by them being here ILLEGALLY or legally, they can do whatever they want, not follow our laws, AND CAN never be punished. NEVER. So they can murder, rape, and steal without recourse.
What part of illegal immigrants are also not subject to our jurisdiction aka allegience aren't you gettiing?
No, every foreigner in our country regardless of their status is subject to the punishment of our laws if caught breaking them. Its the same thing in every country and many countries do not allow birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants but they are still subject to punishment for breaking their laws. Are you really this dense?
Steve is a birther, and has thrown this issue in because it deals with citizenship and he loves to trot out the John Bingham quote while ignoring that there was an entire CONGRESS who help author the amendment.
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This is about the correct interpretation of the 14th Amendment on birthright citizenship not about Obama.
Don't know where you've been, but the correct interpretation of the 14th Amendment came out of the original debates from the 39th Congress.
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We must depend upon the general law relating to subject and citizens recognized by all nations for a definition, and that must lead to a conclusion that every person born in the United States is a natural born citizen of such States, except it may be that children born on our soil to temporary sojourners or representatives of foreign Governments are native born citizens of the United States. Thus it is expressed by a writer on the Constitution of the United States: "Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity." Rawle on the Constitution, pg. 86." Rep. Wilson. Cong. Globe, 39th Cong., lst Sess. 1117 (1866).
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You tell me then why you think that the qualifer of "AND subject to the jurisdiction", etc. was a part of the birthright citizenship clause.
ambassadors and enemy combatants occupying US Soil, that's why.
Did you read the bill? it is not meant to keep minorities out of our country. it is meant to correct the law that allows a woman to come to Americe, illegally, give birth and now her child is a citizen with all the rights of citizenship..Even receiving food stamps, WAC, etc. The original bill was meant to protect the children of slaves, it was not meant to give legal rights to a bunch of illegals kids. I have total respect for those who have come to America legally. Most of us, unless we are native Americans have come from other countries, but to continue the practice of allowing these kids all the rights, those who have worked hard to recieve get, is plain wrong in my opinion...Do you have any idea how much illegals are costing our country?
Will the bill pass? Probably not, at least not now, but eventually it may.
A bill wouldn't even be considered if it blatantly expressed racism. At least not in progressive areas. But there is no denying that something like this is directly pointed towards Mexican immigration.
Plyler v Doe = the justices stated that the 14th Amendment applied to everyone including illegal immigrants.
"Revisions to education laws in Texas in 1975 withheld state funds for educating children who had not been legally admitted to the United States and authorized local school districts to deny enrollment to such students. A 5-to-4 majority of the Supreme Court found that this policy was in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment, as illegal immigrant children are people "in any ordinary sense of the term", and therefore had protection from discrimination unless a substantial state interest could be shown to justify it."
The 14th Amendment makes no mention of "people", as well it shouldn't, since "people" are incorporated as "persons" under it.
Get a freaking dictionary, allegiance is not a freaking synonym for freaking jurisdiction!
Yeah, but not in 1866. The granting of American citizenship to native people didn't take place until the passage of the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924.
While you are looking for a dictionary, pick of a college level history book!
Is it just me who finds it so freaking ironic that those with the most patriotic sounding nicknames are the most ignorant of American history, the Constitution and the law?
I wondered how long it would take you to get around to be insulting and act like you are the expert on birthright citizenship when the qualifying word "AND" is staring you right in the face. Let's see, Ambassadors are not subject our jurisdiction but illegal immigrants are?
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