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Old 01-19-2013, 06:39 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Remember Rome?
We are on the same path.
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:03 PM
 
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This just proves that neither you nore the OP know what the Tea Party is. It had to evolve into a more effective organization. It had to become more than just local groups staging protests, holding signs, etc.

The Tea Party, in order to become effective, which it has, had to become more pro-active. They had to find and support conservative candidates that they felt believed as they do. They have done that, and the Tea Party today is an effective force against the liberal agenda.
The Tea Party was coopted by Big Money just like OWS was toward the end.
Think the **** Brothers vs George Soros.

That is the problem with our government to begin with where Big $$$ and not the citizen voices dictate government policies. The TPM fell into the hands of the corrupt and irresponsible.

The main difference between OWS and the Tea Party, is that the Tea Party advertised itself as a registered nonprofit, meaning that people who donate get a tax break, where OWS didn't. Those who dontated to OWS would not be getting any return on their money.

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This Cohen Report series explores the organizational structure of the Tea Party movement for evidence of 501(c) and other tax exempt organizational forms among the hundreds, maybe thousands of groups with Tea Party affiliations. Why? Two reasons: When the press talks about local Tea Party groups, it will sometimes refer to them as “nonprofit” organizations, without ever checking to see even if they are incorporated, much less that they have received federal tax exempt designation. Just because they are conducting rallies, protesting, and waving signs, that doesn’t make the Tea Party organizations automatically eligible for the shorthand nonprofit appellation.
This is one more way the TPM was sabotaged.
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:10 PM
 
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I think if you look at the Democrat Party today, I would definitely agree.

But, so far as military spending is concerned, that is the one ligitimate reason for Federal spending, since the Federal government is to provide for the "common defense." We should have the best and most advanced weapons and fighing force that technology can provide, no matter the cost.
CARE TO explain how defending the interests of Big Business and Banking with my tax dollars on the other side of the world is protecting all citizens of this country? The founding fathers meant the common defense of THIS nation, not other nations where Big business and Banking have interests.

That is their OWN responsibility if they wish to do business with other countries.
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:10 PM
 
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Remember Rome?
We are on the same path.
How are we on that path?
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:13 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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How are we on that path?

Seriously?


Our armies are the largest and spread far and wide. It cost a fortune of borrowed money to fund the empire, so just as Rome, they create fake money and flood the economy with it.
Why did Rome fall?
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:13 PM
 
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I know about the definition of neo conseravtive and Irving Kristol etc etc, I use it as a insult and define it as big spenders, supporters of big gvt, anti free market, interventionist foreign policy, anti freedom, and supporters of status quo and weak on state rights. In other words the Establishment of the {R} party.
Thank You

You hit the nail on the head there.
The Neo Cons don't believe in personal responsibility nor free and fair markets nor small government.
They believe in raping and pillaging and it matters not if it is their own citizens in this country, or some other country.
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:17 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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I miss the Tea Party the way it started and the movement it was supposed to represent. The original message of the Tea Party was lower taxes and less government. Social issues and religious issues were not the focus, so it had a broader appeal to people who may support strict fiscal conservatism but can't stomach the social positions of the GOP. Slowly but surely, this great movement that many had hoped would bring this nation back to the Constitution became overtaken by social conservatives and racists. Today, it is virtually one and the same with the Christian Right. We need the original Tea Party back! Anybody else feel this way?
I remember hearing about this schism on NPR about 4-5 years ago. They had noble goals and tried to separate themselves them from the religious nutjobs. It's sad how they got overtaken.
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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From what I've read the Tea Party was always about the Christian Right. I read a research study that the one consistent belief that Tea Party members have held is that there should be more inclusion of God and christianity in government. That, and racism.
The research study you read was flawed.

The original (modern) Tea Party Movement was a bipartisan, almost libertarian movement to protest excessive government spending and taxation, and its increased involvement in our daily lives.

The far-right wing to co-opted the Tea Party Movement not long after it started, moving its focus from fiscal responsibility and lower taxes to conservative social "values". That alienated the moderates and liberals from the movement, and now the Tea Party is an irrelevant, ranting piece of nonsense instead of a common-sense, moderate call for fiscal prudence and less government.
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Jawjah
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This is all hype - it was not like as if the "original" Tea Party existed for decades before being taken over. There is no long running establishment run of the Tea Party to classify it as an "original" and the "racist" version. The "original" Tea Party, if you want to believe there was one, was in existence for mere "months" before being "exploited" - and the actual racist TeaParty started almost as soon as Obama took office in 2009.

Please note: The Tea Party never raged against Bush for eradicating civil liberties, bailouts, spending, or wars. Never. This reveals their partisan agenda.

More history on the Tea Party:

The National Memo » The Tea Party Movement Doesn’t Exist
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:47 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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This is all hype - it was not like as if the "original" Tea Party existed for decades before being taken over. There is no long running establishment run of the Tea Party to classify it as an "original" and the "racist" version. The "original" Tea Party, if you want to believe there was one, was in existence for mere "months" before being "exploited" - and the actual racist TeaParty started almost as soon as Obama took office in 2009.

Please note: The Tea Party never raged against Bush for eradicating civil liberties, bailouts, spending, or wars. Never. This reveals their partisan agenda.

More history on the Tea Party:

The National Memo » The Tea Party Movement Doesn’t Exist

The Tea Party were supporting Ron Paul in 2007.
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