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Old 01-20-2013, 09:44 AM
 
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The difference is that the 14th Amendment describes only one way for a person to be an Article II natural-born citizen. But not the only way.
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Old 01-20-2013, 09:47 AM
 
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And it doesn't say an American parent. It is plural.
What says "parents?"

The word is found nowhere in the Constitution, let alone anywhere in Article II or the 14th Amendment.
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Old 01-20-2013, 09:51 AM
 
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When the 14th Amendment was created, the natural born Citizen clause, Article 2 Section 1 was never amended to it. It was left separate. What was the specific reason?
Because the 14th didn't amend Article II at all.

As Senator Jacob Howard, the author of the 14th's citizenship clause explicitly stated during congressional debate, "This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States"
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Old 01-20-2013, 09:52 AM
 
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"Shall not be infringed", is powerful language that has no interpretation. It says what it means very plainly and without confusion.
Except of course for that very inconvenient prologue that qualifies the entire Amendment.
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Old 01-20-2013, 09:53 AM
 
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at birth naturalized
I think we've identified the problem.
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Old 01-20-2013, 09:57 AM
 
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That's not what I asked you. For the 2nd time, please answer the question:

When the 14th Amendment was created, the natural born Citizen clause, Article 2 Section 1, was never amended to it. It was left separate. WHAT WAS THE SPECIFIC REASON?
The people who drafted the 14th naively thought that future generations would be too smart to listen to people like Orly Taitz, would be my guess.
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Old 01-20-2013, 09:58 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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"Shall not be infringed" does not preclude "regulation". You left out the word "right" which is provided by law.



That's funny.

Regulation is an infringement, Einstein. It is a limitation, on my right to have exactly what the government's Police State, has.

The very reason for the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights.

Shall not infringe, means don't even think about it or it will be unconstitutional.
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Old 01-20-2013, 10:01 AM
 
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Parents here legally --- not here breaking all the laws so they can get around the immigration laws of this country and get on food stamps.
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Old 01-20-2013, 10:17 AM
 
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Because the 14th didn't amend Article II at all.

As Senator Jacob Howard, the author of the 14th's citizenship clause explicitly stated during congressional debate, "This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States"
And author Rep John Bingham stated this during the Congressional debate:

“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))
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Old 01-20-2013, 10:22 AM
 
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The difference is that the 14th Amendment describes only one way for a person to be an Article II natural-born citizen.
Had the framers of the 14th Amendment sought to define natural born Citizen, they would have used the words “natural born” in the Amendment. But they didn’t.
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