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Old 01-20-2013, 11:20 AM
 
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Because the 14th didn't amend Article II at all.

As Senator Jacob Howard, the author of the 14th's citizenship clause explicitly stated during congressional debate, "This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States"
Yeah, "citizen".

Don't stretch.
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Old 01-20-2013, 11:22 AM
 
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The people who drafted the 14th naively thought that future generations would be too smart to listen to people like Orly Taitz, would be my guess.
It is better to judge a book by its table of contents than its cover.
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Old 01-20-2013, 11:24 AM
 
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I think we've identified the problem.
One you can't overcome?
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Old 01-20-2013, 11:27 AM
 
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That would require a constitutional amendment. That's not going to happen.
Some folks believe it's already happened.
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Old 01-20-2013, 11:30 AM
 
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Who is hallucinating that they wanted to define "natural born" in the 14th Amendment? The definition was already well known to them, and the 14th didn't change it.
"If words have no meaning, how can you have government?" James Holmes
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Old 01-20-2013, 11:34 AM
 
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It must be Inauguration Day. The birthers are in full froth mode.
Congratulations on your second term Mr President.
I thought this was going to be a private affair.

Doesn't a person deserve a modicum of privacy?
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Old 01-20-2013, 12:40 PM
 
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To be the President of the United States is a right of citizenship, which is defined by law; which has been enacted by Congress. And, under the Constitution, there is no one with standing to challenge Presiden Obama's eligibility to be President, because you don't have the right to vote for President, but only for Electors for the President. Ours is not a direct democracty, but a constitutional republic - which is a representative form of government. That's why the birther lawsuits have all failed. There is no citizen standing.
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Old 01-20-2013, 01:23 PM
 
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That's funny.

Regulation is an infringement, Einstein. It is a limitation, on my right to have exactly what the government's Police State, has.

The very reason for the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights.

Shall not infringe, means don't even think about it or it will be unconstitutional.
You're a frequent reader here. Do I really have to post the reminder that numerous SCOTUS decisions, including DC vs Heller, have stated that some regulations are constitutional and that the 2nd amendment is not a blanket freedom to own or carry any type weapon one desires? Even Scalia confirms that.
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Old 01-20-2013, 01:45 PM
 
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To be the President of the United States is a right of citizenship, which is defined by law; which has been enacted by Congress. And, under the Constitution, there is no one with standing to challenge Presiden Obama's eligibility to be President, because you don't have the right to vote for President, but only for Electors for the President. Ours is not a direct democracty, but a constitutional republic - which is a representative form of government. That's why the birther lawsuits have all failed. There is no citizen standing.
Fraud on the Office is sedition, and can be prosecuted with an "information".

At the very least, conspiracy to defraud the Constitution.

"The Blind Sheikh", is a blind Egyptian Muslim leader who is currently serving a life sentence at the Butner Medical Center which is part of the Butner Federal Correctional Institution in Butner, North Carolina, United States. Formerly a resident of New York City, Abdel-Rahman and nine others were convicted of seditious conspiracy, which requires only that a crime be planned, not that it necessarily be attempted. His prosecution grew out of investigations of the World Trade Center 1993 bombings.

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