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Old 12-26-2013, 03:41 PM
 
Location: west mich
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You'll find few that will disagree in any substantial manner.
Only in your circle.
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Old 12-26-2013, 03:54 PM
 
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Only in your circle.
The Congress did not force Obama to pick either Geithner or Bernanke. When he picked them the Dems controlled the House and Senate.

It's amazing that you can condemn Geithner but not the one that gave him power.
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Old 12-26-2013, 04:00 PM
 
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Can we stop with the partisan finger pointing??

There's tons of Democrats fed up with the Democratic Party and would be willing to clean house if there was some non-partisan movement.


There's tons of Republicans fed up with the Republican Party and would be willing to clean house if there was some non-partisan movement.


Will you guys stop BEING THE PROBLEM and start being part of the solution and quit giving these politicians power.
What kind of "movement" would not need to be a political party in order to gain power? Pragmatically speaking, can people vote for a "movement"?
BTW, the real pro-democracy anti-corporate-fascism movement with any power at all is the Progressive Democratic Caucus, which is a minority in the party. They are being stymied by the party corporatists and the corporate-owned media, thus lethargic Americans are unaware of them. All they hear is RW dreck which preaches the blessings of consumerism and corporate rule.
There is no ideology even close in the repug party since John Huntsman, who was summarily drubbed out.
Are we to discuss policy without ever mentioning parties - especially the ones who are in power and have shaped our affairs, their members, and what they have or have not done? Seriously.

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Old 12-26-2013, 04:00 PM
 
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None of you have a clue as to what happened, or why; not to mention what is happening now. ("Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!")
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Old 12-26-2013, 04:24 PM
 
Location: west mich
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The Congress did not force Obama to pick either Geithner or Bernanke. When he picked them the Dems controlled the House and Senate.

It's amazing that you can condemn Geithner but not the one that gave him power.
Do you have blinders? Tunnel vision? Reading comprehension? Short attention span?
You don't recall my criticism of this - or are you just desperate and totally out of ammunition?
The dems never had control - do you know what "control" is? It is having enough votes to overcome conservative filibusters. You know about filibuster rules don't you?
Your congress is a fascist one, and you talk like a spokesman hireling - though unconvincing. Maybe you should start earning your keep.
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Old 12-26-2013, 04:25 PM
 
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None of you have a clue as to what happened, or why; not to mention what is happening now. ("Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!")
Yet you won't tell us about it, eh? Can't share? Your little secret?

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Old 12-26-2013, 04:30 PM
 
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Can we stop with the partisan finger pointing??

There's tons of Democrats fed up with the Democratic Party and would be willing to clean house if there was some non-partisan movement.


There's tons of Republicans fed up with the Republican Party and would be willing to clean house if there was some non-partisan movement.


Will you guys stop BEING THE PROBLEM and start being part of the solution and quit giving these politicians power.
Actually, I am the one arguing that both parties have failed us and that we allow it by excusing politicians failures if they belong to our party and hence we get failure.

Where are these people? Obama had no challengers in the 2012 primary despite failing and lying left and right...he is practically Bush on most issues he and other Democrats criticized Bush for...where is the anger? His popularity is high with Democrats. I see some negligible criticism.

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Old 12-26-2013, 04:36 PM
 
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Do you have blinders? Tunnel vision? Reading comprehension? Short attention span?
You don't recall my criticism of this - or are you just desperate and totally out of ammunition?
The dems never had control - do you know what "control" is? It is having enough votes to overcome conservative filibusters. You know about filibuster rules don't you?
Your congress is a fascist one, and you talk like a spokesman hireling - though unconvincing. Maybe you should start earning your keep.
So why vote for someone that would do something you so disliked?
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Old 12-26-2013, 04:41 PM
 
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I'll make it easy for ya.
Obama is not Bush, there is a republicon Congress and Obama has no control over it, the trickle-down juggernaut is Reaganomics which increased bankers' power and allowed them to become entrenched, congressional repugs support it and they swore opposition to all "hope and change", Geithner, Summers, bank bailouts, and the rest are products of trickle-down Reaganomics which is corporate fascism - and Obama also gets constant criticism from the "left". This is all stuff you deny or don't know.
Deny all you want and just keep bashing Obama for failing to fix problems created by, left over from, and still supported by, congressional repugs and some blue dog democrats.
#1 You still lied on this thread multiple times and used strawman arguments in an attempt to save face for precious Obama. This is the problem with America...making excuses for failure because they are in your party.

#2 Yes Republicans did bad things. I won't argue against that.

#3 You can't blame big banker power solely on the Republicans.

Clinton asked for and argued for banker deregulation.

Clinton pushed China into the WTO, hello outsourcing.

Obama put big bank lobbyists in the WH after promising not to.

Obama gave special access to big banker donors after promising not to.

Obama put in place systemically important financial institution policies with an all Democratic House and Senate.

Obama signed into law AIG taxpayer funded bonuses to millionaires that and all Democratic congress wrote. He was outraged then did nothing.

Obama gave the same Halliburton subsidiary a no-bid contract that he complained about Bush doing and that he promised not to.

Obama repealed insider trading laws for congress.


OPEN YOUR EYES UP TO THE WHOLE PICTURE.
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Old 12-26-2013, 05:15 PM
 
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So why vote for someone that would do something you so disliked?
Are you in jerk-around mode now because you got nothing else, or are you just lonely?
Who do you think we all should vote for? I assume you are pro-democracy - or am I wrong?

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