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Old 01-20-2013, 12:41 PM
 
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Recently in another thread we were given a bogus Sam Adams quote "The said constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms" In researching said quote I found it came from "Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts" Pages 86 and 87. There is no indication that it was Sam Adams who said or proposed it. It only says that a motion was made and seconded and the motion, or the quote in context, reads

"And that the said Counstitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience ; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms ; or to raise standing armies, unless when necessary for the defence of the United States, or of some one or more of them ; or to prevent the people from petitioning, in a peacable and orderly manner, the federal legislature, for a redress of grievances ; or to subject the people to unreasonable searches and seizures of their persons, papers or possessions"

But the thing that caught my eye was this part "here unless when necessary for the defence of the United States, or of some one or more of them" Is Sam Adams, or whoever said this but a lot of rightwing websites are saying it was Sam Adams, is he saying here that it's ok for the United States, for Congress, to prevent people from keeping their arms if doing so is necessary for the defence of the United States? And if so what does that say about the theory that the chief reason for the 2nd amendment is so people can overthrow the government?

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Old 01-20-2013, 12:52 PM
 
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When the Constitution was ratified did the govt seize private weapons? No

Was there a war on? No

Those 2 questions prove beyond any doubt that private citizens are allowed to have guns at any time they choose.

End of discussion.

Class dismissed.

P.S. The 2nd Amendment is not so people can overthrow the government. Have no clue where you got that idea.
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Old 01-20-2013, 01:05 PM
 
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When the Constitution was ratified did the govt seize private weapons? No

Was there a war on? No

Those 2 questions prove beyond any doubt that private citizens are allowed to have guns at any time they choose.

End of discussion.

Class dismissed.

P.S. The 2nd Amendment is not so people can overthrow the government. Have no clue where you got that idea.
No it is NOT the end of discussion and no class is NOT dismisssed. Unless maybe for you since you have no idea what you're talking about. Nobody ever said private weapons were seized or that there was a war going on and there is way more then a few sources on the right who claim that the chief reason for the 2nd amendment is so the people can overthrow the government. I didn't pull that out of my ass it comes direct from the rightwing
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