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Old 01-21-2013, 11:53 AM
 
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1. The tax thing is already settled.
2. They talk about cutting spending but if history is any measure they are pretty weak on the topic in reality.
3. Abortion is a settled issue only brought up to fleece the gullible into giving campaign donations.
1. already settled? Don't you think it will come up again in 2014 and 2016?
2. you're right. Those politicians need to go home. Hopefully we will vote them out like we did in 2006 and 2010.

3. I would say that you are way wrong on this issue. Abortion will never be a "settled" issue.
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Old 01-21-2013, 11:53 AM
 
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Was this supposed to be intelligent response?

The word is Gerrymandering,

All the repubs did was to correct the asinine districts the dems set up after the previous census.
Oh, did I offend you sissy boy with the switching of the J and G? Get a life.
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Old 01-21-2013, 11:59 AM
 
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Winning the mid terms has no bearing on who wins the presidential election. The key to the midterms is voter turnout. If a lot of Americans vote in the 125,000,000 range the conservative party will lose. If 40million+ fewer Americans vote like in the 2010 midterms the conservative party does well.

They only way the conservative party wins is if 10's of millions of voters stay home. That's not really being popular and ensures loses during presidential elections when more people vote.
cherry picking stats? The 2006 mid-terms went to the dems, and the dems won in 2008. Now, the 2010 mid-terms went to the GOP, but the dems won the WH. BUT... consider this
1. Obama won by a bigger margin in 2008 than he did in 2012. The incumbent has a big advantage.
2a. Do you think that Americans will be happy to elect another democrat if our economy is still in the dumps? (and we know that it will be)
2b. Who do you think voters will hold accountable? The presidents party, or the congressional party?
Fair or not, the president gets all the credit, and all the blame.
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:00 PM
 
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you (almost) sound like you are a conservative? I'm not buying it though.
female reproduction? thats NOT the issue at all. The much bigger issue is the intentional killing of millions of babies. Now, before you say it, here are the REAL issues
1. MOST (i.e. over 90%) of all abortions are for the convenience of the mother and/or father.
2. The "pro choice" position is to offer abortion as the #1 option. They refuse to endorse or encourage adoption as an alternative.
3. marriage is based on "gender". You must be talking about gay rights? If so, most conservatives are Christian. The Christian definition of marriage is 1 man and 1 woman. Thats the "gender" aspect of it. Nobody is refusing a man or a woman marriage according to God's law. Other "marriages" are contary to a productive society.
4. States rights? Ok, not all 50 states would ban abortion. But, a majority would! And, FYI, 30 (or more) states have already banned gay marriage. So, your positions again are on the losing end.
The majority of pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion before the woman knows she's pregnant. Meaning God allows lots of abortions. And abortion is not a crime in the Bible. In fact it's never mentioned.

Sorry, the Christian definition of marriage is not unanimous. There are over 2 billion Christians, and over 30,000 denominations. Most of them do not take the right wing extremist view. Other marriages are not contrary to God. You are not God, and your interpretation of the Bible and history is pathetic.
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:03 PM
 
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I agree 100%. Republicans may in fact need to moderate. But this isn't the time to do it. Obama isn't proof of anything. He's a cult of personality type figure and the first black President. It's a mistake to take support for him as support for the Democrat agenda. Plus, he didn't win in a landslide. There was no overwhelming mandate for liberal policies. At this time I agree completely that the best thing to do is to stick to our guns and ride his administration out. If we get killedin 2016, then it's time to really look at the conservative message and see if maybe the country is no longer the center right place it used to be. Right now it is too early to do that. There's no sense in abandoning the base off just 1 lost election. We smashed the Democrats in 2010 and that was just 2 years ago. It's way too early to conclude that conservatism is dead. Stay the course, let the Obama wave wash over us, then come back up for air and see where we're at come 2016.
The 2010 midterms had over 40million fewer voters than the 2008 presidential. The conservative party won because over 40million fewer people voted.

The conservative party is very unpopular. And has been unpopular for many many years.
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:04 PM
 
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Their best option is to be more quiet and reserved...they talk too much. Obama is intentionally trying to raise the debt as high as possible, and by the summer at the latest things will easily show another bad approach. Obama is giving breaks to solar junk and everyone who knows anything knows the necessitous is the mother of invention, not free lunch, thats a given and a sure way of knowing the whole thing is corrupt...it just cannot be justified and has strategy in complete reverse.

Rubio is not the answer...hes too eager, u don't want that. Eager is all about self gain...you don't want self gain, self gain is the problem with leadership. Eager is villain number #1 ( make a note) D Issa has the temperament and honesty, Ryan has the honesty but needs to chill out a little which will happen naturally for his unique manner. You want the opposite of Obama...everyone knows this and the leftists are just too proud and arrogant to say. Now...

What happens when a referee in a hockey match goes into brealk up a fight..? The two combatants act far more ferociously....why..? because the referee in themselves has been out powered somewhat by the suggestion in the ref...so they are free to go animal 'knowing...the ref will moderate on behalf of civility...( these are issues with war as well

so heres the deal....the left politicians 'knows this thing is a mess but they want to hang onto their jobs and are flakes. If the right is more quiet the left will more normally take over the ref moderating reality in this and start fighting amongst themselves...why..? because they know they are the problem, a bad economic future which is their baby all to themselves...

notice how its issue after issue after issue....these are all part of a failed leadership screening truth in issue by constantly being involved in yet another...the idea and strategy ( sit up....We are going to frustrate you to no end until you finally realize that theres not enough time in a day to get to the bottom of all these things and you will throw your hands up...and give up....meanwhile we will not stop hitting you with garbage all the while creating even more issues...

The right are not , well lets say in a game of chess not so good....and thats allot of the problem today...everyone thinks they are the cats meow and can't be told...(Rubio is a mistake, too eager, too much know it all....you don't want that...plus experience in basic life and all that comes with it...a guy who would be good would be very quiet at his age..not the worlds solution to all of its problems...there are rules in life and personalities that no two legged person made up.
Good post...
I like Rubio, but we'll have to see what transpires in the next 2-4 years.
I agree that the dems could end up fighting themselves. However, the GOP is going to have to stand up for certain issues, and possible GET LOUD in the process. I think they will just have to pick their battles wisely.
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:07 PM
 
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Now that Obama has started his 2nd (and last term, what do you think the GOP should do?
I personally think they should stick to their guns (no pun intended) regarding the core issues
1. taxes
2. debt ceiling/spending
3. Abortion/religious rights

Everyone knows that Obama is a lame duck now. The 2014 mid-terms should be the turning point for the country (and both parties)
The party that clearly defines their position on the issues will win the mid-terms. And the party who wins the mid-terms will likely win the presidency in 2016.
Any thoughts?

The country now has a very negative view of Republicans, which they brought on themselves. Obama was voted in by the country, and I'm glad. It's up to Republicans to adapt to what the country wants, not the other way around. The ball is in their nasty, ugly court.
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:09 PM
 
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The majority of pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion before the woman knows she's pregnant. Meaning God allows lots of abortions. And abortion is not a crime in the Bible. In fact it's never mentioned.

Sorry, the Christian definition of marriage is not unanimous. There are over 2 billion Christians, and over 30,000 denominations. Most of them do not take the right wing extremist view. Other marriages are not contrary to God. You are not God, and your interpretation of the Bible and history is pathetic.
right wind extremist view? How long has gay marriage been a serious issue? 10-20 years? You want to say that all of history was wrong, but somehow now, those who support marriage are now right wind extremists?

Have you read the bible? here are 2 things it says
1. Thou shalt not kill
2. marriage = 1 man + 1 woman

there is no other way to interpret it.
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:14 PM
 
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right wind extremist view? How long has gay marriage been a serious issue? 10-20 years? You want to say that all of history was wrong, but somehow now, those who support marriage are now right wind extremists?

Have you read the bible? here are 2 things it says
1. Thou shalt not kill
2. marriage = 1 man + 1 woman

there is no other way to interpret it.
Have you ever read in the constitution-
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Amendment XIV

Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
In this countries laws, the constitution trumps the bible.
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:15 PM
 
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cherry picking stats? The 2006 mid-terms went to the dems, and the dems won in 2008. Now, the 2010 mid-terms went to the GOP, but the dems won the WH. BUT... consider this
1. Obama won by a bigger margin in 2008 than he did in 2012. The incumbent has a big advantage.
2a. Do you think that Americans will be happy to elect another democrat if our economy is still in the dumps? (and we know that it will be)
2b. Who do you think voters will hold accountable? The presidents party, or the congressional party?
Fair or not, the president gets all the credit, and all the blame.
President Obama beat Mitt Rmoney by 5million votes I think. The last conservative party president lost the popular vote in 2000 and won the popular vote by 2.5 million in 2004 and he was an incumbent.

I'm not cherry picking anything. I'll say it again, there were over 40million fewer voters in the 2010 midterms than the 2008 presidential elections. The conservative party didn't win, people didn't vote.

The conservative party is unpopular. The conservative party cannot win if a lot if Americans vote.

I don't know what's going to happen in 2016.
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