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Old 01-21-2013, 11:13 AM
 
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Old 01-21-2013, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Exeter, NH
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We can't. What we have to do is count on the half of Americans who aren't complete idiots to move the country forward despite constant attempts to drag us down. So far, we've done a pretty good job as a country.

Imagine if they ever got their way. No science in schools. No funding for research. No people to fill jobs at Genentech and Intel and Dow. We would very quickly lose our position of scientific dominance, and with it our economic and military dominance.
I'd say those poll results are definitive proof we've done an abysmal job as a country. The few decent people left are simply too few to count, as the politicians encourage us to watch the Circus and collect the dole. Our education system costs a fortune, but produces narcissistic hotheads who spout the Socialist Progressive ideology, while their parents lead them through their homework. Liberals and politicians are overjoyed with their takeover of the last free nation; true Americans are wondering where they can go to hide out as bills of endless government spending continue avalanching in.

And scientific dominance? Lost that long ago, unless you're talking about the intellectual knowledge of the small group of highly educated John Galts who are just about ready to drop the reins and watch the train go over the cliff. Obama's conviction that they will selflessly continue to run everything, pay for everyone else, and get nothing themselves, and have no quality of life while their parasites party, is about to be dealt a blow of reality.

Finally, we threw away our economic dominance by massive government overspending on items that added ZERO value to the economy, buying our own debt (paying off credit cards with new credit cards), devaluing the dollar and keeping interest rates at zero so NOBODY can retire without a pension, and of course robbing and mismanaging entitlement programs like Social Security to the point where there's nothing left. That's right, there's so "Social Security Trust Fund" with trillions sitting in it--what is sitting there are worthless IOUs that state the government will either raise taxes or cut your benefits. A Social Security Trust Fund with NO pieces of paper has the exact same amount of assets/cash/gold....None. But Obama does promise to either cut your proposed benefits or to raise everyone else's SS taxes, most likely both. And if you can't trust a Chicago politician, who can you trust?
 
Old 01-21-2013, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Limbo
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Yeah, but I'm pretty sure that same 41% of Democrats aren't also ''Birthers'', ''Obama is secretly a Muslim'' or ''Climate Change Deniers'' as well! And actually, much more disturbing is how much distrust for science is actually more common among conservatives now, especially the ones with higher levels of education!
That which cannot be simply explained (science), cannot be trusted, apparently. That is really sad.

I think the more we push into science the better. I'd rather ask 'why?', and not 'my mind can't grasp it so it must be wrong because I say so.'
 
Old 01-21-2013, 11:27 AM
 
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Anyone who buys into the feeble crap that the earth is only 6 or 7 thousand years old has the not got the mental capacity to toast bread lightly. There is no way on earth you can push that crap off. I have watched the fast fossil crap and its concretion not fossilization. There is a difference between what happens to a cannon at the bottom of the sea and a bone that has its structure replaced with silicates. Its not even close to the same thing and there is no fast fossilization. Its about as smart as the stupid crockoduck and the banana is the right size for your hand. LOL How dumb can some people be.
 
Old 01-21-2013, 11:35 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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I'd say those poll results are definitive proof we've done an abysmal job as a country. The few decent people left are simply too few to count, as the politicians encourage us to watch the Circus and collect the dole. Our education system costs a fortune, but produces narcissistic hotheads who spout the Socialist Progressive ideology, while their parents lead them through their homework. Liberals and politicians are overjoyed with their takeover of the last free nation; true Americans are wondering where they can go to hide out as bills of endless government spending continue avalanching in.
Excuse me, but if you wanna start pointing fingers re: ''edu-macation'' in this country, need I mention which folks have been single-handedly waging war on teachers, professors, public schools, Pell grants, the Department of Education, ''Big Bird'', and the so-called ''educated elite''...?!!
 
Old 01-21-2013, 11:55 AM
 
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Finally, we threw away our economic dominance by massive government overspending on items that added ZERO value to the economy,
You should stick to photography and leave economics to others.

The last I checked the countries GDP is still twice the size of its nearest national competitor only the combined weight of the EU is larger and despite paying nearly zero percent interest, U.S. Treasury notes are considered the safest in the world. The fundamental problem with your shotgun list of perceived egregious government expenditures might have some validity if on aggregate government expenditures were drawing private investors out of capital markets, which it isn't. Since the collapse of the financial sector in 2008 no sector of the economy has rise faster or higher than gross private domestic investment.

Which brings us to the "conservative" economic conundrum. If the argument is that only the private sector creates wealth, and considering that the fact that private investment is returning to the pre-2000 levels, then what the frack is happening to those investments, because my dear economically challenged friend, economic dominance however you measure it is based upon the activities of the private sector. Yet, when it comes to the private sector in general and Wall St in particular you like most conservatives are shockingly silent.

Instead you prefer to rant and rave about entitlement programs or this or that sort, you scream about budget deficients but the simple fact of the matter is that these are issues of accounting not economic health, because it isn't like the economy cannot pay for these programs or in lieu of entitlement programs invest in capital and labor so as to eliminate the need for such programs to begin with.

The fact of the matter is that on a marco level the private sector could careless because the financial sector of this country isn't about traditional capital investment, i.e., you issue stocks to fund productive capacity, not to line the pockets of CEO's who can report higher quarterly profits to Standard and Poor, regardless of their actual productivity.

So in conclusions, when so-called conservatives stop acting as shills for corporations who hide behind the chimera of government "excess" the public might get to see who or what is behind the economic decline of the American PEOPLE, otherwise the American corporate economy is doing just fine.
 
Old 01-21-2013, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Who cares? This is a free country, people have the right to believe whatever they want.

What happened to live and let live????
 
Old 01-21-2013, 12:15 PM
 
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Who cares? This is a free country, people have the right to believe whatever they want.

What happened to live and let live????
Problem is that creationists want to pass of their beliefs as science, and in tax payer funded schools.

You have a right to teach your own children creationism or magic, you don't have a right to teach public school kids that.
 
Old 01-21-2013, 12:18 PM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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Default Gallup: 58% of Republicans are "young earth creationists"

Another way to see this...

50% of (choose the population you prefer) are of below average intelligence.
 
Old 01-21-2013, 12:24 PM
 
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You are all fools if you actually pay attention to these 'scientific' polls.
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