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Old 09-15-2013, 05:01 PM
 
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*SIGH*

Utter nonsense.

Many of the founders of this "constitutional republic" were slave holders that believed that one race of people were 3/5ths of a human. They didn't think women were even smart enough to vote.

Stop romanticizing the history of the American political culture.

It has always changed and will continue to change. There isn't a damn thing wrong with that. That's what it's supposed to do.
LMFAO

Romanticizing history? Utter nonsense? SMFH

Actually the founders believed that slaves were property.

There is a big difference in our beliefs of an evolving Constitutional Republic vs devolving into a Socialistic/Communistic type of Dictatorship. Our Republic has evolved for the better due to our own insight and from watching other forms of Government and not wanting to emulate them. These new immigrants from Latin America would push us more to their political ideology, Socialistic and Communistic, this to the happiness of Progressives.
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Old 09-15-2013, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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California is doing just fine.

So now race DOESN'T matter? What's the point of this thread then? Make up your mind.

You first.


*SIGH*

Utter nonsense.

Many of the founders of this "constitutional republic" were slave holders that believed that one race of people were 3/5ths of a human. They didn't think women were even smart enough to vote.

Stop romanticizing the history of the American political culture.

It has always changed and will continue to change. There isn't a damn thing wrong with that. That's what it's supposed to do.
You are Aware less then 25% owned slaves,

Have you seen the crime rate?

Have you seen the taxes?

Have you seen the failing schools?

Are you seeing the businesses leaving?

Are you seeing law abiding being target for no reason?

California is not doing fine!

So if things change that good? even if said change makes things worst, that still a good thing?

Stop Romanticizing the Greatness of America? Stop denigrating America its greatness, its culture, its heritage and the freedoms and liberties that made it great.!

You leave, there are many other nations with have your views, and your failed ideas..

YOU LEAVE!
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Old 09-15-2013, 05:43 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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In regards to the OP, do you think that I am worried about this? Well, guess what? I'm not worried about this at all. In fact, some people might say that this event will be a form of karma for the U.S. after it conquered this land from Mexico in the late 1840s in order to encourage large-scale White settlement on this land.
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Old 09-15-2013, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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In regards to the OP, do you think that I am worried about this? Well, guess what? I'm not worried about this at all. In fact, some people might say that this event will be a form of karma for the U.S. after it conquered this land from Mexico in the late 1840s in order to encourage large-scale White settlement on this land.
So its not ok for whites to take land, but its ok for other people, of other skin colors to do the same?

As for California, let it rot, the liberal utopia will fall apart like a large Detroit.
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Old 09-15-2013, 05:55 PM
 
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In regards to the OP, do you think that I am worried about this? Well, guess what? I'm not worried about this at all. In fact, some people might say that this event will be a form of karma for the U.S. after it conquered this land from Mexico in the late 1840s in order to encourage large-scale White settlement on this land.
Karma? Texas kicked Mexico out 1836. Guatemala kicked Mexico out about 1830 but I DON'T hear Mexico wanting Guatemala back.

If we're gonna go there: how about the "karma" of Mexico kicking Spain out about 1810. If Mexico LOST that war; IMHO Spain would've SOLD all of what was New Spain to the US by about 1850. France and Russia sold a LOT of land to the US around then.
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Old 09-15-2013, 06:05 PM
 
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In regards to the OP, do you think that I am worried about this? Well, guess what? I'm not worried about this at all. In fact, some people might say that this event will be a form of karma for the U.S. after it conquered this land from Mexico in the late 1840s in order to encourage large-scale White settlement on this land.
Hey DesertDetroiter, futurists is giving you your "romanticized history".

Futurists, are you aware that California was only a territory of Mexico, and that it voted to do that in 1823, otherwise California would have been its own Republic when Mexico gained its independence in 1821. California was never invaded by the US, it had its own Bear Flag Revolt against Mexico. California was never part of Mexico in the since of being Mexico.
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Old 09-15-2013, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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So its not ok for whites to take land, but its ok for other people, of other skin colors to do the same?

As for California, let it rot, the liberal utopia will fall apart like a large Detroit.
GDP growth rate for California last year was 3.5%, 1% higher than the nation as a whole. It is on pace to match that again this year.

It is currently the 8th largest economy in the world, comparable to Russia and Italy, two nations with significantly more people.

Numerous posts in this thread have shown the right-wing talking points to mostly made up crap. The next Detroit? Keep dreaming.
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Old 09-15-2013, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Brawndo-Thirst-Mutilator-Nation
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I could care less about someone's skin color...its their attitude about what kind of nation we want to be...


Actually, I believe you meant to say "I couldn't care less".....as in you have so little concern about this subject.....there is ZERO room left for caring????????

As for the increasing percentage of population being Hispanic......LOL, good luck on that one!
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Old 09-15-2013, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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GDP growth rate for California last year was 3.5%, 1% higher than the nation as a whole. It is on pace to match that again this year.

It is currently the 8th largest economy in the world, comparable to Russia and Italy, two nations with significantly more people.

Numerous posts in this thread have shown the right-wing talking points to mostly made up crap. The next Detroit? Keep dreaming.
GDP mean nothing compared the pension liability, also if that state is doing sooo well, what is with the massive emigration of people? or the cities going bankrupt?

Vallejo, California Bankruptcy - May 2008

Stockton, California, Bankruptcy June 2012

San Bernardino, California Bankruptcy - July 2012

California cities could be next in bankruptcy

Atwater. This farm city in the Central Valley declared a fiscal emergency in October with a $3 million deficit and appeared poised for a bankruptcy filing. City leaders say they pulled the city back from the brink after winning concessions from unions to cut costs. The deal cuts pay 5% for city workers, including police. Last month, voters approved a half-point sales tax increase to 8%. The city has cut jobs but struggled as costs on a new water treatment plant exceeded $85 million in bond financing.

Azusa. This city east of Los Angeles saw its credit rating downgraded in 2012 by Moody's and branded with a negative outlook by Standard & Poor's. Analysts cited low general fund reserves, which fell to $50,000, or 0.17% of expenses, last August. A 2011 audit found the city's general fund balance was almost entirely in restricted land assets.

Compton. Bond-rating agency Standard & Poor's downgraded, then stopped rating, this Los Angeles County city's credit, citing the lack of an independent auditor's opinion, structural deficits and weakened finances. The city has ran annual deficits that reached $40 million and are still projected at more than $9 million this year, and borrowed from dedicated accounts when its general fund ran short. It has laid off 15% of its employees and reduced services, from law enforcement to canceling a popular annual gospel concert. Standard & Poor's said a 2011 audit was incomplete because of allegations of fraud and abuse of public money and a lack of response from the city to auditors' questions. The city once known for crime disbanded its police force and now relies on Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies and was saddled with $369,000 in late fees for falling behind on payments to the county for those police services.

Fresno. This Central Valley agricultural hub has been beset by annual deficits despite big cuts in spending and services, including a 25% reduction in the city workforce since 2009. Its credit rating was downgraded in 2012. The city has a $16 million deficit this year. In January, Standard & Poor's gave Fresno's credit a negative outlook "due to our view of the city's significantly deteriorated financial position.'' The city faces bigger annual payments for retired public workers because of poor investment returns for its defined benefit plan, the agency said. Fresno, like neighboring Stockton, has seen its financial stress compounded by double-digit unemployment in the region. The city is asking voters in June to approve privatizing garbage collection, which would produce a cash windfall of more than $10 million plus $2.4 million a year in franchise fees. City workers are fighting the change and petitioned to force a public vote on the plan.

Hercules. This Contra Costa County city near San Francisco saw its credit ratings collapse seven grades to non-investment quality in 2012 as finances weakened and analysts questioned the city's future willingness to repay debts. The city notified creditors last September that it "does not anticipate there will be any available funds'' for debt payments "in the foreseeable future.'' S&P says the city plans to use $4.5 million in unspent bond proceeds to pay debt service on other bonds but questions whether payments will be made when that money is exhausted. State Controller John Chiang issued audit reports in March saying, "The city's books were so poorly managed that I must question their use of every single federal and state dollar.'' Hercules has laid off 40% of public workers and last year defaulted on a bond payment, triggering a lawsuit.

Mammoth Lakes. The mountain resort city filed for bankruptcy protection, then withdrew its petition last year after agreeing to a budget restructuring plan making settlement payments on a lawsuit that it lost. A developer, Mammoth Lakes Land Acquisition, filed suit charging that the city had breached a 1997 agreement to develop a hotel and condo project. The Hot Creek project stalled over federal objections that it would be too close to a planned airport runway expansion. A $30 million judgment, plus legal fees, against the city was upheld on appeal, and the city's liability grew to $42 million, 2 times its general fund budget. Standard & Poor's says the city remains under financial pressure and rates its bonds at junk status.

Monrovia. Standard & Poor's sharply downgraded the city's credit rating, citing a "substantially weakened general fund and liquidity position'' coupled with the possibility it could lose pending litigation with a developer. It said the city's general fund consisted "entirely of restricted and non-spendable assets.'' Faced with declining tax and other revenue sources, the city cut staff 17% and reduced services, including street repaving, to balance its budget. Monrovia is 20 miles east of Los Angeles and one of several small cities along the foothills of the San Gabriel Mountains.

Oakland. Plagued by high crime and lower revenue, this city on the east side of San Francisco Bay has cut police and other services while struggling to stay solvent. It has endured budget shortfalls of $318 million over the past six years and since 2008 has eliminated 16% of its workforce, or 720 jobs, while reducing pay and giving workers unpaid furloughs. Even with a recovering economy, the city is facing a $19 million shortfall in the coming year and projects a deficit of $35 million or more in 2015 as financial concessions made by public-employee unions expire and pension and retiree health benefits climb. The city has reduced its police force by 25% since 2009, to 626 officers, and the California Highway Patrol is helping police the city.

San Jose. Being home to much of Silicon Valley's tech riches has not spared the nation's 10th-largest city from financial stress. The city has run 11 consecutive general fund deficits, and though it still has reserves, Standard & Poor's downgraded San Jose's credit rating in 2012 and branded it with a negative outlook, saying it still faces "long-term structural pressures.'' The city has cut workers' pay 10% and outsourced jobs but still foresees a $5.5 million deficit next year and nearly $14 million the year after. City officials say their biggest problem is retirement costs, which soared from $73 million in 2001 to $245 million last year. Cuts in public pensions approved by voters last fall are being challenged in court by unions. "Long-term budget obligations have outgrown the current revenue structure,'' Standard & Poor's said in January.

Vernon. The smallest incorporated city in the state, with a population barely over 100, is an industrial center neighboring Los Angeles with 1,800 businesses and 55,000 jobs in 5 square miles. Vernon has a history of corruption and was the subject of a scathing report by the state auditor last July that said the city doesn't have enough revenue to pay for the services it provides. The audit found Vernon operated with annual deficits in its general fund for more than 20 years, increasing spending and salaries while tapping dedicated funds, reserves, asset sales and other transfers. The audit said Vernon engaged in speculative investments without effective risk evaluation, including an "unreasonable'' natural gas deal that has cost it millions. It cited loose contracting practices and found problems in 21 of 25 city contracts examined, including lack of competitive bidding. It said Vernon had weak internal financial controls and "may have provided legally questionable retirement benefits to certain current and past executives.'' The city turned back efforts in the Legislature to disincorporate it last year and adopted reforms, but the auditor said some policy changes have not been implemented and others will take years to achieve.

So yeah..
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Old 09-15-2013, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Gone
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SORYY! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH wrong answer

The Mexicans attacked TEXAS, and in the treaty of Hidalgo we paid for CA, AZ, and NV

The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo
Wrong again Buckaroo, the Spanish/Mexicans settled California, we bought at the point of a Gun. Go read more History.
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