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Old 01-23-2013, 07:06 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Would any of you anti-choicers care to comment?

In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses aren’t people | The Colorado Independent

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Lori Stodghill was 31-years old, seven-months pregnant with twin boys and feeling sick when she arrived at St. Thomas More hospital in Cañon City on New Year’s Day 2006. She was vomiting and short of breath and she passed out as she was being wheeled into an examination room. Medical staff tried to resuscitate her but, as became clear only later, a main artery feeding her lungs was clogged and the clog led to a massive heart attack. Stodghill’s obstetrician, Dr. Pelham Staples, who also happened to be the obstetrician on call for emergencies that night, never answered a page. His patient died at the hospital less than an hour after she arrived and her twins died in her womb.

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[W]hen it came to mounting a defense in the Stodghill case, Catholic Health’s lawyers effectively turned the Church directives on their head. Catholic organizations have for decades fought to change federal and state laws that fail to protect “unborn persons,” and Catholic Health’s lawyers in this case had the chance to set precedent bolstering anti-abortion legal arguments. Instead, they are arguing state law protects doctors from liability concerning unborn fetuses on grounds that those fetuses are not persons with legal rights.

As Jason Langley, an attorney with Denver-based Kennedy Childs, argued in one of the briefs he filed for the defense, the court “should not overturn the long-standing rule in Colorado that the term ‘person,’ as is used in the Wrongful Death Act, encompasses only individuals born alive. Colorado state courts define ‘person’ under the Act to include only those born alive. Therefore Plaintiffs cannot maintain wrongful death claims based on two unborn fetuses.”

The Catholic Health attorneys have so far won decisions from Fremont County District Court Judge David M. Thorson and now-retired Colorado Court of Appeals Judge Arthur Roy.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:13 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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I'll be interested to see how this one shakes out. I guess there are no pro-lifers in a foxhole or lawsuit.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:16 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Anti choicer eh? Well I don't mind being called that when the choice is murder or birth....oh and if you had read it correctly,the LAWYERS for the hospital claimed this not the hospital its self.Nice try though.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:17 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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To be fair, it's the law firm they hired that is arguing this and, under the law, it sounds like they are correct. They aren't saying the fetus wasn't a person, they are saying that the law does not define it as one.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:29 PM
 
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typical Catholic hypocrisy if you ask me.

Stone age religion - time to get rid of it all
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Abortion stops a learning brain.

Harrier - pro-life.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:40 PM
 
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So what they're saying is that it's FINANCIALLY to their ADVANTAGE to call them fetuses vs. babies--even when they're fighting for things like personhood legislation that calls a cell a baby at the moment of conception--when it comes to deciding whether or not they let them die by failing to provide care? Nice.

At 7 1/2 months they probably would have survived--it's not like it was early in pregnancy. I think abortion should be safe, legal and really rare in early pregnancy, but I don't know too many people, even ardent pro choicers, who think a nearly 8 month pregnancy is just a fetus.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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typical Catholic hypocrisy if you ask me.

Stone age religion - time to get rid of it all
Yep.

They twist the teachings of their bible to serve their purpose.....why should this be any different?

They are masters at it.

Trying to blame it on the lawyers? That's pretty cowardly.

If the Catholic Church and their hospitals really believe fetuses are people.....they should man up, say they are sorry and take responsibility.

Ooooops.....there's that word again.....taking RESPONSIBILITY for your actions. LOL

Seems only women need to be responsible....the Catholic hierarchy.....not so much. {see: pedophilia}
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:46 PM
 
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Anti choicer eh? Well I don't mind being called that when the choice is murder or birth....oh and if you had read it correctly,the LAWYERS for the hospital claimed this not the hospital its self.Nice try though.
So the hospital should fire the lawyers and get new ones, right?
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:48 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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I don't care what they do. The lawyer's job is to win the case for the client no matter what. What the hospital does is up to them.
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