Why has communism always failed? How will America be different? (legal, ideology)
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Socialist/communist ideas work only to kick start poor or third world economies sooner or later (supposing there is no dictator involved) the economy will reach a level where these socialist devices no longer work or are needed. Then they are discarded or shed like reptiles shed old skin. Like the idea of putting a state enterprise on the open market like the Spanish did with the government airline "Iberia" or vast sections of its steel industry. Then, like Brazil, the country is on its way to becoming a healthy capitalist economy. Now the danger is that it may become a corporate state. Mussolini said that he should never have called his system "Fascism", he claimed that it should have called it corporatism. If the present day countries like Germany or the US continue on their present path the danger is they will become (or some say HAVE already become) corporate run states.
To think you can model America after a small, monolithic nation like Sweden you are dead wrong. Sweden doesn't have the cultural diversity nor the population of the US. A co-worker of mine is from Sweden and even he says he likes the way they do it over there but it would never work in the US.
Quite ironic that progressives pay so much lip sync to diversity yet their model nations are some of the least diverse on the planet.
Communism is a dirty word in America, yet many of the principles being advocated by more and more Americans are communist at core. You can call it progressive, liberal, leftist, whatever but whatever you call it the principles are the same. More and more people are jumping on the bandwagon of supporting the sacrifice of individual rights for the collective good. It's happening slowly but surely in America unlike the swift Bolshiviek revolution in Russia. The question is, if this ideology has failed in every other nation it's been tried in, why should it work in America? How are we different than Russia, China, Cuba, North Korea, etc? What will America do differently than those other nations once the far left gets their way to avoid a similar fate?
Super powers like the US were extremely hostile to "communist" countries and tried their best to kill them through military races and economic sanctions.
Once the USSR collapsed, the smaller ones just could not do well for many obvious reasons. Before the 1990s, North Korea actually had a decent economy; however the story changed dramatically since 1991.
If the US decides to be communist, no one would stop the US in the same way.
To think you can model America after a small, monolithic nation like Sweden you are dead wrong. Sweden doesn't have the cultural diversity nor the population of the US. A co-worker of mine is from Sweden and even he says he likes the way they do it over there but it would never work in the US.
Quite ironic that progressives pay so much lip sync to diversity yet their model nations are some of the least diverse on the planet.
I'm not saying this wouldn't be a challenge and it would require both sides to clean up their faults but it's possible. One thing I should mention it that Sweden isn't as monolithic as it used to be there has been a lot of immigration to there recently.
Could you give 1 example of a "principle" that you do you feel is "Communist" AND American "progressive, liberal, leftist?"
Also, could you give 1 example of a sacrifice of individual rights for the collective good?
Obamacare for one. I don't care if it was modeled after Romneycare, it's still communism. So many people who work for a living are on the losing end of Obamacare so those at the bottom of the economic chain can have health insurance. Obamacare tramples on countless Constitutionally-guaranteed rights for both individuals and businesses its a complete shame this country has drifted so far from its founding principles it would accept such a thing.
Second Amendment rights is another one. Progressives have been itching for decades to take rights away from law-abiding citizens.
Tobacco Nazis...this is a huge one that doesn't get a lot of attention. People should have the right to smoke cigarettes. They know the risks and its not up to the government to take that right away. If businesses want to allow smoking in their establishments, it's should be their right to allow it. You say you don't like the smell or don't want to be around second hand smoke? Vote with your wallet and don't go to a business that allows smoking.
Soft Drinks/Fast food. It's communism when the government starts controlling what people eat or drink, or portion size.
There are many more as well. Republicans aren't completely off the hook as they have their own areas they are anti-freedom but a vast majority of the "sacrifice rights for the collective good" mentality comes from the Left.
Obamacare for one. I don't care if it was modeled after Romneycare, it's still communism. So many people who work for a living are on the losing end of Obamacare so those at the bottom of the economic chain can have health insurance. Obamacare tramples on countless Constitutionally-guaranteed rights for both individuals and businesses its a complete shame this country has drifted so far from its founding principles it would accept such a thing.
How do you figure that Obamacare is Communism? It isn't even single-payer like in Europe, where there is socialized health care. Haven't you reached a little too far and are calling everything Communism?
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Second Amendment rights is another one. Progressives have been itching for decades to take rights away from law-abiding citizens.
I have no problem with the Second Amendment. It clearly states:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I have no problem with a well-regulated militia, as long as it is well-regulated by the States or the federal government, one of the two. Why would I?
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Tobacco Nazis...this is a huge one that doesn't get a lot of attention. People should have the right to smoke cigarettes. They know the risks and its not up to the government to take that right away. If businesses want to allow smoking in their establishments, it's should be their right to allow it. You say you don't like the smell or don't want to be around second hand smoke? Vote with your wallet and don't go to a business that allows smoking.
Smoking isn't prohibited! Where do you get that? Smoking in MY face and forcing me to inhale it is prohibited in certain areas. I have to have places where I can breathe. People who don't smoke shouldn't be forced to inhale the smoke from others. That's a form of dictatorship, isn't it? For you to want me to inhale your smoke? You're the one smoking, not me.
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Soft Drinks/Fast food.
Okay now, on the way to work this morning I noticed that all the fast food restaurants were still there. What precisely are you referring to?
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It's communism when the government starts controlling what people eat or drink, or portion size.
You've got to be kidding me, right? You're not talking about Communism or Capitalism. You're talking about how you want EVERYTHING deregulated, which is a whole different topic. I think you need to repost again and start over. Your original post needs to say:
"I want everything deregulated, whether it hurts other people or not."
THAT is what your post needed to say to begin with.
How do you figure that Obamacare is Communism? It isn't even single-payer like in Europe, where there is socialized health care. Haven't you reached a little too far and are calling everything Communism?
I have no problem with the Second Amendment. It clearly states:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I have no problem with a well-regulated militia, as long as it is well-regulated by the States or the federal government, one of the two. Why would I?
Smoking isn't prohibited! Where do you get that? Smoking in MY face and forcing me to inhale it is prohibited in certain areas. I have to have places where I can breathe. People who don't smoke shouldn't be forced to inhale the smoke from others. That's a form of dictatorship, isn't it? For you to want me to inhale your smoke? You're the one smoking, not me.
Okay now, on the way to work this morning I noticed that all the fast food restaurants were still there. What precisely are you referring to?
You've got to be kidding me, right? You're not talking about Communism or Capitalism. You're talking about how you want EVERYTHING deregulated, which is a whole different topic. I think you need to repost again and start over. Your original post needs to say:
"I want everything deregulated, whether it hurts other people or not."
THAT is what your post needed to say to begin with.
Sanders was a communist, and had some percentahe of the national vote.
In fact without cheating by Democrats, maybe Sanders and communism would have taken over the party for the 2016 cycle instead of the communist-lite we have through Hillary and Obama now.
Progressive communism has been going forward more the last 8 years though.
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