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Old 01-25-2013, 06:50 PM
 
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This is not a matter of serious dispute.

Whether or not the North went to war over slavery is another concern. But the Confederacy was, and I'll say it, an evil political institution founded of the slave owners, by the slave owners, for the slave owners.

Don't believe me? Surely I must be horribly misrepresenting the intentions and beliefs of the glorious southerners, eh? Where's my proof? I guess I just take it from the direct words of the secessionists.

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The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.
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The people of Georgia, after an equally full and fair and deliberate hearing of the case, have declared with equal firmness that they shall not rule over them. A brief history of the rise, progress, and policy of anti-slavery and the political organization into whose hands the administration of the Federal Government has been committed will fully justify the pronounced verdict of the people of Georgia. The party of Lincoln, called the Republican party, under its present name and organization, is of recent origin. It is admitted to be an anti-slavery party. While it attracts to itself by its creed the scattered advocates of exploded political heresies, of condemned theories in political economy, the advocates of commercial restrictions, of protection, of special privileges, of waste and corruption in the administration of Government, anti-slavery is its mission and its purpose. By anti-slavery it is made a power in the state. The question of slavery was the great difficulty in the way of the formation of the Constitution. While the subordination and the political and social inequality of the African race was fully conceded by all, it was plainly apparent that slavery would soon disappear from what are now the non-slave-holding States of the original thirteen. The opposition to slavery was then, as now, general in those States and the Constitution was made with direct reference to that fact. But a distinct abolition party was not formed in the United States for more than half a century after the Government went into operation. The main reason was that the North, even if united, could not control both branches of the Legislature during any portion of that time. Therefore such an organization must have resulted either in utter failure or in the total overthrow of the Government. The material prosperity of the North was greatly dependent on the Federal Government; that of the the South not at all.
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The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution.
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Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world
These are not cherry picked statements. If you read through each state's declaration of the justifications of secession, 95% of the text explicitly calls out the North for the evils of black freedom (yes, the South was so thoroughly backwards, it had no clue how vile and disgusting to the point of satire its rhetoric would sound to prosperity) and refers to its fellow southern states as fellow slaveholding states. They refer to states' rights and tariffs...maybe once or twice?


Any confederate apologists should actually read the Confederate constitution and the declarations of secession. I hardly exaggerate when I say that they read like the Mein Kampf. If the Right wishes to detach itself from its racist past, it should denounce southern apologists and ostracize confederate sympathizers.

 
Old 01-25-2013, 06:52 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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You enjoy being wrong huh? Oh well...sucks to be you. My ancestors weren't slave owners but they fought for our homeland against the tyrants of the north. They fought for states rights. You can claim it was the right to own others all you want,slaves were considered property not people so.
 
Old 01-25-2013, 06:59 PM
 
Location: southern california
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dear friend please do not rewrite history.
americans have no problem with slavery as long as its not them.
1000's of child prostitutes are sold every night in the hood. korean shopkeepers are treated worse than any new orleans housekeeper of the 19th century in the hood. millions of americans exploit illegal mexicans paying them pennies on the dollar for their work. slavery is not dead.
no. lets get to the point of your post. civil war was about slavery??. a bold face falsehood. sure a point of tensions but the secession from the north as a matter of record is very clear. here are the steps. illegal tariffs filed against the south for cotton trade unconstitutional. first came the walk out. then the secession then armed resistance . only 1 year later did slavery enter as an issue.
u r entitled to all the white guilt u can harvest, but not your own facts.
 
Old 01-25-2013, 07:00 PM
 
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You enjoy being wrong huh? Oh well...sucks to be you.
I have a huge plethora of quotations directly from the mouths of the southern leaders themselves. Too bad for you that the evidence is written in stone. All you have is an unmoving anecdote.

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My ancestors weren't slave owners but they fought for our homeland against the tyrants of the north.
So high tariffs are worse than slavery?

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They fought for states rights.
But they didn't fight for individual rights. Scratch that - they fought for their own rights against the horrors of tariffs and taxes, but paid no heed to the millions of people in horrible bondage, suffering far worse than they ever would.

Yeah, cry me a river.
 
Old 01-25-2013, 07:00 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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They fought for states rights.
Specifically, they fought for the right of slave owners to continue to own slaves.
 
Old 01-25-2013, 07:01 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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They weren't people. They were considered property. Maybe you missed that little part there kid. Either way you are wrong,we get it you hate the south. Do us a favor and never visit or live here! That way we are all happy.
 
Old 01-25-2013, 07:01 PM
 
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americans have no problem with slavery as long as its not them.
1000's of child prostitutes are sold every night in the hood. korean shopkeepers are treated worse than any new orleans housekeeper of the 19th century in the hood. millions of americans exploit illegal mexicans paying them pennies on the dollar for their work. slavery is not dead.
How does this have anything to do with a civil war from the 19th century?

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no. lets get to the point of your post. civil war was about slavery??. a bold face falsehood. sure a point of tensions but the secession from the north as a matter of record is very clear. illegal tariffs filed against the south for cotton trade unconstitutional. first came the walk out. then the secession then
armed resistance . only 1 year later did slavery enter as an issue.
Did you even read the several hundred words of direct quotation from the southern leaders themselves?

Go to a southern secessionist convention and boast that you all are not seceding over slavery, and that slavery doesn't matter to you, and they'll lynch you.

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Old 01-25-2013, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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We know they did start the civil war over slavery because that's directly what they told us. It is only afterwards where southern sympathizers, in an attempt to hide their guilt, started to claim it wasn't about slavery. It was a lie then and it remains a lie now. The civil war was all about slavery and the south's irrational fear that Lincoln would have done anything about it if he didn't have to.

Such irrationality remains a southern cultural trait to this day as we can see from all the provably false claims southern Republicans constantly spew out.
 
Old 01-25-2013, 07:05 PM
 
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They weren't people. They were considered property. Maybe you missed that little part there kid. Either way you are wrong,we get it you hate the south. Do us a favor and never visit or live here! That way we are all happy.
Is this what you always do when you cannot present a logical argument?
 
Old 01-25-2013, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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This is not a matter of serious dispute.
You dont live in the South do you ???

"States Rights"

"Tariffs"

" Representation in Congress "

" industrial economics vs agricultural economics "


All of which are true, but they all involve slavery, but you couldnt get most Southerners to admit that, liberal or conservative.
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