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Old 01-26-2013, 05:31 PM
 
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And what happens when an atheist or agnostic refuses to swear this oath to God? I was an atheist at 17, and I would have refused to take this oath. I guess you would have denied me graduating high school?

Companies don't pay for birth control. They provide health insurance for employees. What medical decisions an employee and his or her doctor makes is none of that company's business.
Where did I say or even imply that I would deny an atheist a diploma if they refused to say "so help me God"? I didn't nor would I. Assume much? I just said that one shouldn't take that term so literally.

Companies purchase health insurance for their employees. If they don't believe in birth control based on religious beliefs then they should have the option of eliminating that coverage if they so choose. If employees want to use birth control then let them pay for it themselves. It is the company's business to opt to pay for it or not.

 
Old 01-26-2013, 05:37 PM
 
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Where did I say or even imply that I would deny an atheist a diploma if they refused to say "so help me God"? I didn't nor would I. Assume much? I just said that one shouldn't take that term so literally.
You seemed to be defending the oath, and in specific defending the religious aspect of the oath.
 
Old 01-26-2013, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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"I, _______, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge these duties; So help me God."


Well, I guess atheists could graduate by lying when swearing the oath. And are you really taking an oath freely if your high school diploma will be denied if you don't?
High school can be hell so for some I'm sure a little lie is worth it.

[besides, you can always change your mind later...]
 
Old 01-26-2013, 06:09 PM
 
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You seemed to be defending the oath, and in specific defending the religious aspect of the oath.
Oh Lord. Please re-read my post.
 
Old 01-26-2013, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Jawjah
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Tea Party: the hell if we don't be like the Taliban and force everyone to bow down to our version of God.
 
Old 01-26-2013, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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If we can't increase Math and Science score, the oath will just have to do, eh.
 
Old 01-26-2013, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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Bill Text: AZ HB2467 | 2013 | Fifty-first Legislature 1st Regular | Introduced | LegiScan

Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists To Graduate High School

"I, _______, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge these duties; So help me God."


Well, I guess atheists could graduate by lying when swearing the oath. And are you really taking an oath freely if your high school diploma will be denied if you don't?
What other laws can we think of to make that serve no purpose other than to tick people off for our amusement?

How about mandatory weekly signing of "I am not a terrorist" agreements?
 
Old 01-26-2013, 07:19 PM
 
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Nothing is more un-American than refusing to take oaths the state compels you to take. Nothing.
LOL...right.
 
Old 01-26-2013, 07:20 PM
 
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What if I ended my oath with, "And my God is a homosexual." Would the powers that be in Arizona refuse to give me a diploma?
 
Old 01-26-2013, 07:37 PM
 
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Oh Lord. Please re-read my post.
I've read it like 8 times. It still comes across the same way to me. Instead of repeatedly smacking your head, why don't you clarify it to me.
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