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Old 03-01-2013, 06:38 PM
 
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Unfortunately I have little faith responsible adults would do the sane thing. Especially since the gun lobby is so highly paid. Guns are big businesses yo, especially with all the fear mongering by both sides.
I never said the amendment process is easy, it isn't supposed to be. However, if you think it should not be a right you only have one option and that is changing the constitution. I wouldn't support the change and I don't even own a gun, but if you convince enough states then you could do it.
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Old 03-01-2013, 06:40 PM
 
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So you want to change the law to mandatory sentencing....



Of course crimes are plead down, what is your point?

If you allow subjective interpretation or prosecutor discretion then how do you expect for it to be enforced across the board?
I'm not the one complaining about guns and I would prefer each state to handle their business as they see fit.
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Old 03-01-2013, 06:52 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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I'm not the one complaining about guns
So you concede your point then.

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I would prefer each state to handle their business as they see fit.
I think states should handle their business as they see fit in many cases, but not here.
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Old 03-01-2013, 06:54 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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I never said the amendment process is easy, it isn't supposed to be. However, if you think it should not be a right you only have one option and that is changing the constitution. I wouldn't support the change and I don't even own a gun, but if you convince enough states then you could do it.
And I never said It believed it would be or did I imply it was meant to be easy. I completely understand the process.
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Old 03-01-2013, 06:57 PM
 
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Well wouldn't that involve.... wait for it.... changing the law?
No, it's called enforcing the current law.....



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Remember you're little talk about criminals..... But we just need to enforce it! We need to better enforce murder laws too! And rape laws! If we just enforce them.... they will just take care of themselves!?!?!?
Then what do you propose? More laws on top of the current laws about rape and murder?

Those current rape and murder laws are working great, right?



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Everyone is born with the right.... you can't take it away without amending the Constitution.... I'm not talking about the legal age to own a weapon.........
It's great that you changed you first remark to fit your answer, how convenient of a leftist...
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Old 03-01-2013, 07:00 PM
 
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I've already told you what I would do.

Yea, add more laws to the current existing laws that don't work.....screw enforcement....





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Do you not understand what a criminal is or do have some fantasy notion that crime will ever go away?
Yes, I do, do you have some fantasy that if you introduce more law the criminal will go away?
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Old 03-01-2013, 07:03 PM
 
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So you want to change the law to mandatory sentencing....




Of course crimes are plead down, what is your point?

No plea bargains....enforce the law....
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If you allow subjective interpretation or prosecutor discretion then how do you expect for it to be enforced across the board?
There should be no interpenetration. But then people like you would complain about that....oh, wait....
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Old 03-01-2013, 09:02 PM
 
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More people with some automatics they didn't need?
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Old 03-01-2013, 09:34 PM
 
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No, it's called enforcing the current law.....
You don't understand what discretion or subjective mean when applied to law do you?

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Then what do you propose? More laws on top of the current laws about rape and murder?
I already told you what I want, to start over and make guns a privilege. Clearly you can't keep up with the conversation or you are intentionally lying and putting words in my mouth.

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Those current rape and murder laws are working great, right?
Hell of lot better than without law enforcement and a legal system.

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It's great that you changed you first remark to fit your answer, how convenient of a leftist...
How typical of a rightest, can't keep up with a simple conversation....

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Yea, add more laws to the current existing laws that don't work.....screw enforcement....
Yea, I've already agreed with you several pages ago if you could just simply keep up with the conversation.

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Yes, I do, do you have some fantasy that if you introduce more law the criminal will go away?
Again, I've already agree with you that more laws aren't the answer, do you want me to give you the post number?

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There should be no interpenetration. But then people like you would complain about that....oh, wait....
Again, you don't seem to understand what discretion is......
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Old 03-01-2013, 09:49 PM
 
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You don't understand what discretion or subjective mean when applied to law do you?
I do, because you fail to realize what "laws" are, is not my problem. If the law says "you will not sell/purchase/acquire a gun over state lines, unless you fill out the proper form, and you do not do this, you are a criminal.

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I already told you what I want, to start over and make guns a privilege. Clearly you can't keep up with the conversation or you are intentionally lying and putting words in my mouth.
I also agreed with you, but now you are stating that you want to make guns a privilege? Can you show me what post# you are talking about?

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Hell of lot better than without law enforcement and a legal system.
But, I thought that was the reason we have laws? You are supposed to obey them.....

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How typical of a rightest, can't keep up with a simple conversation....
Prove me wrong.....I'll be waiting on this one...


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Yea, I've already agreed with you several pages ago if you could just simply keep up with the conversation.
More law does not mean better rule......maybe I should have put a behind my posting.....

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Again, I've already agree with you that more laws aren't the answer, do you want me to give you the post number?
Yea, please do....


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Again, you don't seem to understand what discretion is......
I do, because you fail to realize what "laws" are, is not my problem. If the law says "you will not sell/purchase/acquire a gun over state lines, unless you fill out the proper form, and you do not do this, you are a criminal.
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