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Old 01-27-2013, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You've read the unwritten bills already?
I don't need to. You think those 12-20 million illegals are going to leave and "apply" the legal way ?
ROFL..no my friend. There will be amnesty with a pledge to toughen up on illegals.

What do you think they are going to do..abolish border control ? Close the border crossing checkpoints and just let everyone walk on over ?

Deja vu ?
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:47 PM
 
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Being for immigration reform is a leftist thing? I didn't know that.
Immigration reform is a euphemism for amnesty. Now, how about addressing the rest of my post?
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:49 PM
 
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Actually no one is free to leave without paying tribute to the United States Government.

Oh, well just because you feel free I guess that settles the matter.

Yup, The U.S. is a free country because you feel free.
Oh, well just because you don't feel free I guess that settles the matter.

Yup, the U.S. is not a free country because you don't feel free.
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:51 PM
 
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Immigration reform is a euphemism for amnesty. Now, how about addressing the rest of my post?
Here's an actual definition of amnesty:

Amnesty | Define Amnesty at Dictionary.com

From the proposals I've read, none would qualify as amnesty.
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:54 PM
 
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Here's an actual definition of amnesty:

Amnesty | Define Amnesty at Dictionary.com

From the proposals I've read, none would qualify as amnesty.
Yet politicians always use the word amnesty like in gun buy backs, etc. Now, instead of skirting around and playing around with words, why are you against the working poor and the unions? It's interesting about you mainstream Democrats. You're all about supporting the working poor and the unions, but you'd support measures that would undermine your base. Why is that? So you can claim moral victory over the GOP? It's the GOP that supposed to be supporting illegal immigrant amnesty, not the Democrats
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:54 PM
 
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Oh, well just because you don't feel free I guess that settles the matter.

Yup, the U.S. is not a free country because you don't feel free.
We could ask the hundreds of thousands of people in prison for victimless crimes how free they think the U.S. is.

Or how about the family who was facing fines of hundreds of dollars per day for the heinous crime of growing nutritious food in their front yard.

Should we ask the countless people who have lost their homes to the government for the offense of not paying government rent (err taxes) how free this country is when government can take property you allegedly own?

The list of offenses perpetrated upon we the people by the federal government is never ending, yet only a fool could believe this is truly a "free" country.
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:54 PM
 
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I don't need to. You think those 12-20 million illegals are going to leave and "apply" the legal way ?
ROFL..no my friend. There will be amnesty with a pledge to toughen up on illegals.

What do you think they are going to do..abolish border control ? Close the border crossing checkpoints and just let everyone walk on over ?

Deja vu ?
Amnesty would be a complete granting of citizenship rights without penalties and stipulations. What the Senate is working on and what Boehner has talked about don't fit the definition of amnesty.

I'm sure that won't stop people, who don't actually understand the debate, from calling the whole complicated process as amnesty.
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Amnesty would be a complete granting of citizenship rights without penalties and stipulations. What the Senate is working on and what Boehner has talked about don't fit the definition of amnesty.

I'm sure that won't stop people, who don't actually understand the debate, from calling the whole complicated process as amnesty.
What do you think this "Path to citizenship" is if not amnesty ?
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:59 PM
 
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Yet politicians always use the word amnesty like in gun buy backs, etc. Now, instead of skirting around and playing around with words, why are you against the working poor and the unions?
I'm not.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:00 PM
 
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(Mods I figured because this article deals with immigration's effect on the economy it would be ok to post in Politics.)

An interesting post from Slate Moneybox's Yglesias. New Progressive zeitgeist?

What Would Happen If We Let All The Immigrants In
We don't?
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