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Old 01-27-2013, 04:00 PM
 
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What do you think this "Path to citizenship" is if not amnesty ?
Would they get it for nothing or would they have to pay fines/back taxes and then get to the back of the line to start the process?
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:01 PM
 
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I'm not.
Then why support mass immigration, which has shown to dilute the power of unions by bringing in what are effectively, scab workers? There is no César Chávez to mobilize latinos to unionize. When you have ~8% unemployment, bringing more people in will make it harder for working people to earn a living since their wages will be seen as too much for too many available workers. Managers have an excuse to be more picky about who they hire, and are more open to firing people for little reason. More immigration is not a good thing when you don't have full employment.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Legal aliens or ILLEGAL aliens? We DON'T need many more people moving here unless the're smart, have morals and obey OUR rules.
In reading that link I think I saw mostly illegal immigrants mentioned since I am sure that most of the Hispanic countries of the Western Hemisphere come from countries who have already used their year's quota. You did read that thing, didn't you?
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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The country is already overpopulated, and an idea as stupid as opening up the borders to let everyone in would only accelerate the death of the United States.

Only a truly stupid individual could ever support such an idea.
Well, there is a chance that the Dream EO could provide a lot of voters for Democrats next time around unless, somehow, we determine that the EO issuer isn't legal also and rip away all his orders.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Immigration is good for countries. If we didn't have legal and illegal immigration our population would be declining. Immigrants come to the country to work and start businesses.

I'm really going to look forward to the know-nothing wing of the GOP to start foaming at the mouth once the immigration reform bill or bills start getting closer to being passed and signed by Obama. I will be making popcorn and enjoying the gnashing of teeth and impotent rage.
Have you failed to see how Obama plans to sneak all those things in? What I call the Dream EO might be a sample. Actually he thinks the Congress is irrelevant already.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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You just proved your lack of knowledge when it comes to the history of the USA.
So you really believe that the millions of Hispanics who have come here in the last 20 or so years came legally. I think it may be you that has the problem since our immigration numbers for legals have become much smaller than at one time.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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The USA was created and founded as beacon for anyone around the world who wanted to brave the elements to get here and live free and pursue happiness. That hasn't changed and shouldn't change. The USA will only be the USA unless we preserve it as a land for people who want to be free.

Go read what it says on the Statue of Liberty.
And then watch to see the numbers of people who come in legally around the Statue of Liberty and those who just walk across the border.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:52 PM
 
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We apparently are soon to find out -- but it's all about the unlimited cheap labor and Obama intends to reward anyone and everyone who will come here illegally.

It would only be right to reimburse the legal immigrants for all their costs of abiding by the laws because the really big rewards and easy citizenship are for those who have zero respect for our country and it's laws.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:56 PM
 
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I'm not.
You most definitely are against the working poor and the unemployed who truly want jobs. You want them to have to compete with absolutely anyone in the world --- all they have to do is sneak across the border and be willing to work for a short time, any low wage at all.

Cesar Chavez was definitely not for unlimited illegal immigration. He was for better working conditions and wages for the workers at the lowest spot of the totem pole.

And so much for you liberals caring about the environment, just let in hundreds of millions of cheap labor immigrants and we can plow under all the state parks and wilderness regions to build them cheap housing. Just fill this country up with indigents of all nations. That's the plan.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:58 PM
 
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You most definitely are against the working poor and the unemployed who truly want jobs. You want them to have to compete with absolutely anyone in the world --- all they have to do is sneak across the border and be willing to work for a short time, any low wage at all.

Cesar Chavez was definitely not for unlimited illegal immigration. He was for better working conditions and wages for the workers at the lowest spot of the totem pole.

And so much for you liberals caring about the environment, just let in hundreds of millions of cheap labor immigrants and we can plow under all the state parks and wilderness regions to build them cheap housing. Just fill this country up with indigents of all nations. That's the plan.
So competition is a bad thing?
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