Go ahead and laugh at the EPA now. (Pittsburgh, felons, politicians)
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Originally Posted by thecoalman
I've been using CFL's for more than decade now in most lighting situations becsue to me it makes economic sense. As practical matter though I've also stocked up on high wattage incandescent because I actually want to be able to have light when I switch on my outside lights in the winter, since those light are usually on for such short time realistically it's pointless to have CFL anyway since they take a lot of power to cycle up.
See the problem? I'm also point out again if you have electric heat there is no benefit to CFL's and there is many people that use incandescent in situations where they need a little heat.
Frequent switching on and off (more than 20 times per day) shortens the life of a CFL, but the power consumption to cycle up the teensy ballast is miniscule.
So? Was the official stealing money? No. Was the official negotiating a better job? No.
The official was communicating with a non-profit environmental group about environmental policy. Oh how sinister! Dick Cheney was allowed to meet secretly with oil executives over oil policy but environmental officials can't communicate with environmental groups? Seems like a double standard.
Well we don't know what the hell they were doing because they wont' turn over the emails. We're not talking about Dick Cheney here are we? Why the deflection? They can communicate all they want but not on back door email channels. There is a reason they won't turn that info over. What is it? Why isn't the public allowed to know what was going on? Obviously they weren't working for the best interest of the nation or we wouldn't have this cover up.
Switching lightbulbs across the country could save millions of tons of CO2 going into the air. There is no real debate here. It should be done immediately.
Well we don't know what the hell they were doing because they wont' turn over the emails. We're not talking about Dick Cheney here are we? Why the deflection? They can communicate all they want but not on back door email channels. There is a reason they won't turn that info over. What is it? Why isn't the public allowed to know what was going on? Obviously they weren't working for the best interest of the nation or we wouldn't have this cover up.
Well that would be for the same reason that members Congress run across the street and meet people in a coffee shop rather than invite them into the building where their name is recorded.
It's called being unethical. Then again ethics doesn't come into play once you get into office.
So slimy politics is ok because the other side did something similar ?
Then why does the left claim they are so much better than the right when they do the same things and say "But you did it too" ?
If anything it should show you just how low down and corrupt both sides are.
The Supreme Court said that Cheney had every right to meet with the industry. So, if the court sanctions it, it isn't slimy. But now, the same people that thought Cheney was right, say it isn't ok for EPA officials to communicate with environmental groups, who have no profit motive at stake, like the oil cos did.
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Originally Posted by KUchief25
Well we don't know what the hell they were doing because they wont' turn over the emails. We're not talking about Dick Cheney here are we? Why the deflection? They can communicate all they want but not on back door email channels. There is a reason they won't turn that info over. What is it? Why isn't the public allowed to know what was going on? Obviously they weren't working for the best interest of the nation or we wouldn't have this cover up.
We're talking about Dick Cheney here because what's good for the goose is good for the gander -- unless IOKIYAR.
Well that would be for the same reason that members Congress run across the street and meet people in a coffee shop rather than invite them into the building where their name is recorded.
It's called being unethical. Then again ethics doesn't come into play once you get into office.
That is true. You gotta sell out to get your position in DC. Don't toe the party line and all and you don't get the money to run. That is who it's done and if you buck the system any at all you better have a big bunch of constituents back home who are with you. Lieberman is the only guy I can think of who pulled it off.
The Supreme Court said that Cheney had every right to meet with the industry. So, if the court sanctions it, it isn't slimy. But now, the same people that thought Cheney was right, say it isn't ok for EPA officials to communicate with environmental groups, who have no profit motive at stake, like the oil cos did.
We're talking about Dick Cheney here because what's good for the goose is good for the gander -- unless IOKIYAR.
Your problem is you think it's all a game. Most folks in DC do too. Environmental groups have no motive? LOL. Your too far gone with your tit for tat games to have any sense left. Go punch your Cheney doll and stop posting nonsense.
The Supreme Court said that Cheney had every right to meet with the industry. So, if the court sanctions it, it isn't slimy. But now, the same people that thought Cheney was right, say it isn't ok for EPA officials to communicate with environmental groups, who have no profit motive at stake, like the oil cos did.
We're talking about Dick Cheney here because what's good for the goose is good for the gander -- unless IOKIYAR.
Well Cheney met with them AS Cheney, not some made up fictitious name.
Yet you think that's the same as what the EPA did ?
The Fort Knox Gold Mine near Fairbanks is still producing over nine tons of gold per year. In 2011 they produced 290,000 ounces of gold. At today's prices, that amounts to $479,660,000 for just one year of production.
The Red Dog Mine near Kotzebue is the world's largest producer of lead and zinc concentrate.
We paid the Russians $0.02 per acre in 1867. I think we got our money's worth.
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