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Not only did we have guns (rifles and handguns) in the house when my kids were younger, they were taught respect for firearms at a very early age. They were taught how to shoot and went hunting starting around age 8/9.
It was not uncommon for High Schools to have rifle clubs on campus and there were days when we brought our rifles to school.
I don't recall gun nuts back then obsessed with hiding from the govt, discussing everywhere how they were going to shoot this bad guy and that bad guy, and back then there weren't 300,000,000 guns and endless gun injuries and gun deaths. The gun lobby and right wingers have turned this country into a gun-obsessed, gun-fetishist country, where the problem is guns, but they're recommending more guns be purchased to end the gun problem.
I don't recall gun nuts back then obsessed with hiding from the govt, discussing everywhere how they were going to shoot this bad guy and that bad guy, and back then there weren't 300,000,000 guns and endless gun injuries and gun deaths. The gun lobby and right wingers have turned this country into a gun-obsessed, gun-fetishist country, where the problem is guns, but they're recommending more guns be purchased to end the gun problem.
...but you said:
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Originally Posted by Saritaschihuahua
It's lunacy to imagine that guns do all that, when all they are is a tool for killing, as good or as bad as the situation lends itself to.
Gun violence is the symptom as is any form of violence. We're just not willing to address the real issues in our society so both sides present arguments as a facade to look like they're doing something helpful.
Gun violence is the symptom as is any form of violence. We're just not willing to address the real issues in our society so both sides present arguments as a facade to look like they're doing something helpful.
Yes, but guns kill, and from far away, and there are 300,000,000 guns in this country. And I don't want to hear the bs about "Oh, but they can kill you with a chair!" You betcha, but at least there's a chance to come out with life.
I don't recall gun nuts back then obsessed with hiding from the govt, discussing everywhere how they were going to shoot this bad guy and that bad guy, and back then there weren't 300,000,000 guns and endless gun injuries and gun deaths. The gun lobby and right wingers have turned this country into a gun-obsessed, gun-fetishist country, where the problem is guns, but they're recommending more guns be purchased to end the gun problem.
I would argue that it is the gun grabers that have turned this nation into a gun obsessed nation.
The rest of us were going along quite nicely until you and yours got all bent out of shape and wont shut up about it.
Endless gun injuries? really because the actual statistics show that murder rates and gun injuries are DOWN of late. 2011 the last year we have data from show 12664 murders. the lowest number in the last 5 years. I beleive the number has been falling since the end of the Assault Weapons ban expiration.
In 2011 the FBI recorded 12,664 murders. These have been classified by weapon used.
8,583 murders were committed using firearms of all types.
Of those 6,220 were handguns.
Shotguns accounted for 356
Rifles accounted for just 323 killings. This would include Assault Weapons like the ones Mr. Obama and others are lamenting as well as deer rifles and small caliber .22 rifles and bolt action, single shot etc…
More than 12,000 people were killed in some way in 2011. Mr. Obama and liberals everywhere want to curtail the use of one form of weapon that accounts for some subset of 323 out of 12,664.
Incidentally 1,694 people were murdered where the killer used a knife or some other cutting instrument.
728 killers used their hands and feet
More people were killed with hammers than with assault weapons.
A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 0.5% of households had members who had used a gun for defense during a situation in which they thought someone "almost certainly would have been killed if they "had not used a gun for protection." Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 162,000 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all "military service, police work, or work as a security guard."[12]
Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18]
Yes, but guns kill, and from far away, and there are 300,000,000 guns in this country. And I don't want to hear the bs about "Oh, but they can kill you with a chair!" You betcha, but at least there's a chance to come out with life.
Sure they can, but these arguments about "assault weapons" are sensationalized and such incidents, while they certainly occur, do not account for a very high percentage of gun violence in our society. The majority is committed by repeat offenders with stolen/blackmarket handguns that what would not be covered under any of the proposed laws or background checks. If you really want to stop gun violence, we need to address the ills of our degraded society. From a gun control perspective, if you really wanted to do something helpful, it would make more sense to figure out how to get illegal guns out of the hands of repeat offenders.
Yes, but guns kill, and from far away, and there are 300,000,000 guns in this country. And I don't want to hear the bs about "Oh, but they can kill you with a chair!" You betcha, but at least there's a chance to come out with life.
...and the problem would be the chair.
The problem is criminals, and they way our society treats them. Our society and judicial system wrings it hands and tells all these criminals that they are the victims, and it's our unfair society that let them down. If they are sociopaths, or simply normal, energetic little boys, we pump them full of drugs and send them on their way.
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