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Old 02-04-2013, 10:45 AM
 
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Originally Posted by jackmccullough View Post
Of course he has the right to his views.

What he doesn't have is the right to discriminate against people based on religion or sexual orientation.
Sure he does. As a private business owner he can do as he pleases.

 
Old 02-04-2013, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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So selling a cake is the same as owning a slave.
I just can't connect those dots like the left does.
You know I was responding to the poster who made the quantum leap between this situation and enslavement. Like you, I could not connect those dots.
 
Old 02-04-2013, 10:46 AM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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He does not have that right in Oregon.
Hope god helps him pay his fine.
 
Old 02-04-2013, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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But they won't sell pork which is discriminating against non-Jewish who eat pork.
Ah, no. It isn't.
No more than a men's store is discriminating against women when it doesn't sell dresses.
 
Old 02-04-2013, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Thank you. Finally someone cut to the chase of what makes this and every other argument comparing discrimination against "gays" to blacks invalid and ludicrous. Nonetheless, a whole generation of youth has been programmed to accept the nonsense of homosexuality as a "normal" inborn trait.

It's ridiculous, and this baker has every right and reason to decline service. One doesn't need to share his religious views to feel that "gay" marriage is an offensive and insulting concept that scoffs at our most fundamental of sensibilities.

Someday soon people will collectively demand the freedom to think once again....and we will look back in disbelief at the time wasted on this kind of baloney.
I do not think people choose their primary sexual orientation no different than their inability to choose the color of their skin. The baker is free to hold any viewpoint, discriminate and face the legal consequences.
 
Old 02-04-2013, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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To play devil's advocate here..is this a subtle form of religious persecution ? Punishing him because he lives his life by his beliefs ?

This is about a cake from a bakery. Not a job, not education, not something having an effect on your life or earning capability or educational attainment. But about a cake from a small owner bakery, not a big chain bakery.
 
Old 02-04-2013, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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As a private business owner he can do as he pleases.
And face the legal consequences.
 
Old 02-04-2013, 10:57 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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People can always go some where else to have their cake made .
Business should have a right to serve whom they wish, if the law favors one over another they are in breach of the division of church and state.
The baker runs a business open to the public, that is not a private business. If he ran a business that he only served via his house or from one not open to the public, then that would be a private business. As such, his is open to the public and he does not have the right to refuse service based on his religious beliefs. If he felt that black people were an abomination, he as well cannot refuse them service. I am a private business that is not open to the public, I refuse to do yard service for any church or church run organization, that as a private business I have the right to do, but if I worked for a local nursery and tried that, I would be in the wrong.
 
Old 02-04-2013, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And face the legal consequences.
He already said if they are going to punish him because of his religious beliefs then so be it.
 
Old 02-04-2013, 10:58 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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How did Kosher butchers and restaurants exist for so long and not get sued by Christians for discrimination ?
Well, pork is not kosher, so why would they carry it?
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