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In order for someone running a public business to discriminate against a group of people the government has to make that discrimination legal.
Why is this so difficult to understand?
This the choice. In order for that baker to discriminate against homosexuals, the government has to make that discrimination legal. It has to say it is the law that you can discriminate against homosexuals and not serve them. The government then has to enforce what it makes legal.
This creates second class citizens of homosexuals. It can't be allowed in a just society.
We had the passage of civil rights bill nearly 50 years ago. These ideas were adjudicated. The discrimination is freedom argument lost. It lost in the courts and it lost in the government.
Yet conservatives are still making the argument that discrimination is freedom.
Let's be clear. If the lesbians walked into the bakery and simply bought some cookies or a loaf of bread, I'm sure the owner wouldn't have thrown them out or told them not to return. HOWEVER, the lesbian wanted to CONTRACT the baker to make a lesbian wedding cake. The owner does not WANT to make a lesbian wedding cake and refuses to enter into the contract. That is his right as a private business owner. He could refuse to enter into a wedding cake contract for a heterosexual couple he found annoying! It is his right.
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This is how I see it as well but people seem to be having problems making the distinction. They would rather say mean man won't sell cake to nice lady. Contracted services gets more complicated.
This is how I see it as well but people seem to be having problems making the distinction. They would rather say mean man won't sell cake to nice lady. Contracted services gets more complicated.
Yes they are complicated. Wedding photography, wedding catering, wedding hosting all fall in that category. Yet courts ruled in favor of the gays who were discriminated against.
This is a new civil rights movement and gays today are what Blacks were in the 60's.
People are going to have to shut their mouths and belly up to the table if they want to play in the US.
Homosexual activity is a sin, but we've already had this circular conversation before. Go on sinning and believing in sin, but judgment will come to who refuse to acknowledge their sins and repent.
Isn't eating cake a sin - gluttony and all?
Baking and selling a cake is not homosexual activity. Buying and eating a cake is not homosexual activity. Baking for profit is not a religious act - it's a commercial one.
The nonsense you hear from the pulpit doesn't count, sorry.
P.S - How does it feel to know you are twisting and misrepresenting the lord's word? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't he look rather unfavorably on you and your ilk?
Are you telling me that Oregon actually tells a business who they have to do business with? That's wrong.
Not only Oregon, but the Federal Government has as well. Look up the Civil Rights Act of 1964. And the Supreme Court has ruled equal access to public accommodation trumps individual liberty.
That said, business do have leeway to refuse certain types of people that aren't protected under the law. In Oregon, race, religion, disability, and sexual orientation are protected from discrimination by certain businesses.
The nonsense you hear from the pulpit doesn't count, sorry.
P.S - How does it feel to know you are twisting and misrepresenting the lord's word? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't he look rather unfavorably on you and your ilk?
If so, then it will be for the Lord to chasten me. The meaning of God's Word is clear.
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