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Old 06-04-2013, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Seattle Area
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009 View Post
"Investigation"???!!

The fascists have gone crazy. In a private business, one has the right to do whatever the hell they want. If he did not want to make a cake for lesbians, that is his business decision. I am sure that there are other bakers who would like the business.

In business, it is best to stay politically neutral (witness the JC Penny disaster).
Reading is fundamental:

The Oregon Equality Act 2007 outlaws discrimination by an individual or a business against people based on their sexual orientation and gender identity.

Read more: Aaron Klein complaint: Baker refuses to make wedding cake for lesbian couple and 'calls them abominations unto the Lord' | Mail Online

Do conservatives read anymore...?

 
Old 06-04-2013, 07:05 AM
 
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Old 06-04-2013, 07:09 AM
 
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What he doesn't have is the right to discriminate against people based on religion or sexual orientation.
People believe what they believe, no matter what laws are made. Many laws are wrong.
 
Old 06-04-2013, 07:15 AM
 
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Originally Posted by RogersParkGuy View Post
Oh, nuts to his religious views!

Any religion that teaches it is okay to hate and practice discrimination doesn't deserve respect. It is long past time decent, intelligent secularists got in the faces of religious fanatics like this.

Being intolerant of religious beliefs because it doesn't jive with fanaticism of homosexuality is the classic hypocritical stance of an "intelligent secularist".

There is nothing within your being that is intelligent, you are simply a discriminating force of your own with just a different agenda.

I think it is time that both of your types are finally laughed off the stage and you let libertarianism show you how to act like a truly enlightened being, which only those of extreme intelligence can apparently wrap their brains around if you are classified as intelligent.

You should be able to sleep with men, and he should be able to deny your business for any reason he would like including what he finds personally or religiously revolting.
 
Old 06-04-2013, 08:21 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009 View Post
"Investigation"???!!

The fascists have gone crazy. In a private business, one has the right to do whatever the hell they want. If he did not want to make a cake for lesbians, that is his business decision. I am sure that there are other bakers who would like the business.

In business, it is best to stay politically neutral (witness the JC Penny disaster).
He is running a business open to the public, that is not a private business. Do you know the difference?
 
Old 06-04-2013, 08:37 AM
 
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He is running a business open to the public, that is not a private business. Do you know the difference?

Do you understand the being open to the public isn't how you qualify whether a business is private or public.

A private business is one that is owned by private individuals (non-government). Do you know the difference? Of course you don't.
 
Old 06-04-2013, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Do you understand the being open to the public isn't how you qualify whether a business is private or public.

A private business is one that is owned by private individuals (non-government). Do you know the difference? Of course you don't.
Any business that is open to the general public, and provides a service or product is considered a public accommodation. In all states a public accommodation can not discriminate based on gender, race, nationality, or religion. In some states a public accommodation can not discriminate based on sexual orientation. The state where this bakery is located is one of those states.
 
Old 06-04-2013, 10:28 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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Originally Posted by ThereCanBeOnly1 View Post
Do you understand the being open to the public isn't how you qualify whether a business is private or public.

A private business is one that is owned by private individuals (non-government). Do you know the difference? Of course you don't.
Well, it is you that does not know the difference. A business open to the public has to obey laws concerning discrimination. A business that is not open to the public can discern who they want to do business with. Do you understand that, or is it too complicated for you? Example: I am a private business, run a garden service from my home, I can turn down anyone that I want, the nursery in town that also offers garden service cannot turn down a client for being black, a jew, a christian or for being gay, they are open to the public, I am not. Get it?
 
Old 06-04-2013, 11:03 AM
 
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Reading is fundamental:

The Oregon Equality Act 2007 outlaws discrimination by an individual or a business against people based on their sexual orientation and gender identity.

Read more: Aaron Klein complaint: Baker refuses to make wedding cake for lesbian couple and 'calls them abominations unto the Lord' | Mail Online

Do conservatives read anymore...?

Do liberals believe in the rule of law?

The case, the outcome of which is unclear, is whether the Oregon state law supercedes the baker's First Amendment Constitutional rights. That is the crux of the case.

One would assume that the right of the baker to express his religious views trumps that of the Oregon law. We will see.

Do liberals read anymore?
 
Old 06-04-2013, 11:05 AM
 
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He is running a business open to the public, that is not a private business. Do you know the difference?

Yes I do. Apparently you do not know the difference between a state statute and one's Constitutional Rights. This is an interesting case that may go to the US Supreme Court. The outcome of this case, in contrast to what liberals think (which is an oxymoron), is not definite, one way or another.
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