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Old 02-04-2013, 09:24 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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Originally Posted by Californian34 View Post
No. You're just wrong and paranoid. If someone ended getting shot by police after any call I made I would have been shocked. For the most part, calling the police for me has been about covering my butt from allegations of assault or misconduct on my part, or to take reports after accidents. You don't have to be doing anything to find yourself in a life threatening situation, but odds are, you won't.
Calling police is dishonorable. I would never call the police on anyone.

 
Old 02-04-2013, 09:33 PM
 
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Take the palm of your hand and push back on the front of the slide. Most semis, it only has to move 1/8" - 1/4" of an inch, then it won't fire. It's a safety device to prevent firing out of battery. The revolver cylinder grab and or web of your hand jammed in between the frame and hammer are old school. Can be traced back to decades ago and Police training when everyone carried a S&W Model 10 or 66.

Keep it filed in your head and in your grab bag. It could save your life.
I have a Bryco Jennings 9mm that will fire if the slide is a full 1/2 in out of battery as I discovered by accident one day at the range. Not the safest thing to do but if some moron happens to grab the slide to push it out of battery will likely be covering the ejection port with part of their hand which will also get a hole in it when half the shell casing blows through the morons hand while the bullet enters his gut. And when he instantly lets go of the gun I will be totally free to inject him with a few more bullets if need be. Needless to say it is not my normal carry gun as the safety sucks and it tends to jam a lot. So I have a more reliable carry gun that doesn't jam and has safety features that allows me to keep one in the pipe with the safety off and ready to fire when or if I ever need it.

But anyone with the slightest bit of personal defense training knows that you never let anyone get close enough to grab your weapon before you shoot them. If they happen to grab you before they realize you have a gun then you shoot from the hip and never expose your weapon. If you are a women with pocket book carry, then you stick your hand into the purse and grab you gun while walk to your car at the ready, if a mugger jumps out you shoot through the purse, never pulling it out. The last tactic saved one of my past girlfriend's life when she was followed from the elevator to her car in a parking garage late one night. purses are easier to replace than your life or dignity.
 
Old 02-04-2013, 09:34 PM
 
Location: mancos
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Calling police is dishonorable. I would never call the police on anyone.
then who is gonna clean up the mess? I had a home invasion and my neighbor called the cops who promptly showed up after it was all over to lock the 3 punks up.I was to busy at the time to use the phone. heck it was past midnite and I was still waking up when I let loose on perp # 2
 
Old 02-04-2013, 09:52 PM
 
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Come on now, obviously that is just Hollywood movie garbage. It would never work in real life
Sure does, UNLOAD yours and try it.

That mofo don't fire....does it?

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A glock is an example of a handgun that can be fired without being at full lockout.


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Originally Posted by Basic Problem View Post
I have a Bryco Jennings 9mm that will fire if the slide is a full 1/2 in out of battery as I discovered by accident one day at the range. Not the safest thing to do but if some moron happens to grab the slide to push it out of battery will likely be covering the ejection port with part of their hand which will also get a hole in it when half the shell casing blows through the morons hand while the bullet enters his gut. And when he instantly lets go of the gun I will be totally free to inject him with a few more bullets if need be. Needless to say it is not my normal carry gun as the safety sucks and it tends to jam a lot. So I have a more reliable carry gun that doesn't jam and has safety features that allows me to keep one in the pipe with the safety off and ready to fire when or if I ever need it.

But anyone with the slightest bit of personal defense training knows that you never let anyone get close enough to grab your weapon before you shoot them. If they happen to grab you before they realize you have a gun then you shoot from the hip and never expose your weapon. If you are a women with pocket book carry, then you stick your hand into the purse and grab you gun while walk to your car at the ready, if a mugger jumps out you shoot through the purse, never pulling it out. The last tactic saved one of my past girlfriend's life when she was followed from the elevator to her car in a parking garage late one night. purses are easier to replace than your life or dignity.
That Jenning will fire if you drop it and it's chambered too. Most won't...not "letting someone" get close enough to you, and it actually going down in a gunfight with no rules is two different things all together.

Someone grabbing for your own carry gun, in which you haven't been trained to retain and resist the attack to keep it in the holster being one of them. Not every gangbanger comes out shooting either. Some like to wave it in your face and threaten you with it first. Some like to get your back and jump on you....thus leading to a physical struggle as well.

It's not all neat and pretty.......
 
Old 02-04-2013, 09:54 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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then who is gonna clean up the mess? I had a home invasion and my neighbor called the cops who promptly showed up after it was all over to lock the 3 punks up.I was to busy at the time to use the phone. heck it was past midnite and I was still waking up when I let loose on perp # 2
If you have dogs, make them happy.
 
Old 02-04-2013, 09:58 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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will likely be covering the ejection port with part of their hand which will also get a hole in it when half the shell casing blows through the morons hand
Not enough power to do that. I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic but I know people who covered the port to catch casings.
 
Old 02-04-2013, 10:10 PM
 
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Most police are professionals. What's your point? You call the cops because there is a problem you can't solve yourself (whether or not most average people could solve these problems is not relevant, nor the topic of this conversation). The solving of this problem may involve using force, of which police have a couple of options. Deadly force, which is obviously the top of the heap, is what the cops bring to the table. Sure, there's arrest, too, but believe me, it doesn't deter many. You people call on cops to protect you from those who may need shooting, because they can't behave civilly in society. When I was a police officer, I PROUDLY wore that badge, taking that responsibility for those who couldn't or wouldn't bear it themselves. I hold nothing against someone who decides they cannot do that job, and would rather rely on professionals.

What I do take issue with (and in a big f'ing way) is when those same people seek to deny others the tools to responsibly protect themselves. Moreover, I have a serious problem with punishing everyone to the extent of depriving them of rights, because of misbehavior by a select few scumbags.
Oh Geeze...... You do know that no where is any law that cops are your personal body guards right?

That they have no legal obligation to drop a donut and come just because you call....

That most cops shoot a gun 2 times a year unless they are also sportsmen and nost cops could hit the broad side of a barn with a shotgun if they were locked in it!

I have serious doubts YOU were ever a cop or you would know better than to spread that drivel around..

it took SWAT more than 3 hours top suit up and go 3 city blocks for when my Father InLaw and his 2nd bride were stabbed to death.... Not a great speed record eh?

And Oh the day before these expert trained cops shot the bad guy in the ankle but not so bad the guy could execute my family.........

That years before I called the cops looking for help and was told cops were not my persona; body guards...

And so rather than ever subject myself to cops i will never dial 911. Instead if i get another bad guy i will blow his head off, and just feed him to the coyotes.

it's this type of drivel that sets me off most ... You must be a wanna be cop.... I have known real cops and they get jaded..... You are still stuck in hero worship...

I see cops and bad guys as the very same thing, since both are dangerous.
 
Old 02-04-2013, 10:17 PM
 
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I have a Bryco Jennings 9mm that will fire if the slide is a full 1/2 in out of battery as I discovered by accident one day at the range. Not the safest thing to do but if some moron happens to grab the slide to push it out of battery will likely be covering the ejection port with part of their hand which will also get a hole in it when half the shell casing blows through the morons hand while the bullet enters his gut. And when he instantly lets go of the gun I will be totally free to inject him with a few more bullets if need be. Needless to say it is not my normal carry gun as the safety sucks and it tends to jam a lot. So I have a more reliable carry gun that doesn't jam and has safety features that allows me to keep one in the pipe with the safety off and ready to fire when or if I ever need it.

But anyone with the slightest bit of personal defense training knows that you never let anyone get close enough to grab your weapon before you shoot them. If they happen to grab you before they realize you have a gun then you shoot from the hip and never expose your weapon. If you are a women with pocket book carry, then you stick your hand into the purse and grab you gun while walk to your car at the ready, if a mugger jumps out you shoot through the purse, never pulling it out. The last tactic saved one of my past girlfriend's life when she was followed from the elevator to her car in a parking garage late one night. purses are easier to replace than your life or dignity.
I can't talk you into crushing that gun can I? That thing is as dangerous to you as any bad guy..... More or less and very with in reason that think contains parts made out of pot metal and i am serious.

IMO there should be a LAW about any companies producing a gun of that low a quality.....

Everyone here that reads me knows I am 100% pro gun, but I am never pro dangerous junk guns.

After reading YOU. it appears as you know this gun is... At best it's a good plant.... in which case these days it could be good so long as it has no papers to you....

I used to think the LAW was fair, but i don't think that way anymore. I think He who has the most dollars WINS now... Anyway no need to reply..... I don't think I really want to know the answer...
 
Old 02-04-2013, 10:35 PM
 
Location: 60630
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Hunting with a knife, speer, or bow and arrow, that's manly.
And sexy
 
Old 02-04-2013, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Suffolk, Va
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Calling police is dishonorable. I would never call the police on anyone.
Good for you.
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