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Old 02-11-2013, 01:27 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Don Draper View Post
You are the one that brought up guarantees. There are no guarantees in life.
Yeah that's right having a gun is no guarantee, but it better than having a bad guy with gun and that guarantee.

I'll take a 50/50 bet before I will take a 0/100 bet. How about you?

 
Old 02-11-2013, 01:32 PM
 
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He is right. Cops are not required to protect you. There is no guarantee there. They are required to investigate crimes. There is case history behind this which you are obviously ignorant of. Do some research before you keep spouting off.
Yeah you did, but you were not wrong either. The cops sure as hell do not guarantee that they will come, much less protect you..

Once you have been murdered they will come, assess the 'scene' and determine IF a crime has been committed.

They will take any evidence and pictures if they feel like it or you are important enough to be bothered with.

Then they leave you, the rest of the family gets to clean up the mess.
 
Old 02-11-2013, 01:52 PM
 
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The Second Amendment is not about individual gun ownership.
Wow, you are beyond the typical gun hater.

The right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Have you been drinking today?
 
Old 02-11-2013, 01:54 PM
 
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You're right. Cops aren't there for law enforcement. They're there to do gardening of local parks.

The police have no legal obligation to protect anyone who is not in their custody.

Even the jackasses on the Supreme Court ruled that way.

So far, you have been wrong on everything. Try educating yourself first before you decide to debate with grownups
 
Old 02-11-2013, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Soldotna
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Originally Posted by Saritaschihuahua View Post
You're right. Cops aren't there for law enforcement. They're there to do gardening of local parks.



Warren vs DC.

"The court stated that official police personnel and the government employing them owe no duty to victims of criminal acts and thus are not liable for a failure to provide adequate police protection unless a special relationship exists."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_...ct_of_Columbia

In other words "COPS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO SAVE YOUR DEFENSELESS ***."

Hence, owning a gun or 20.
 
Old 02-11-2013, 02:19 PM
 
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Are you really so dense as to think that simply because something includes the word militia, it necessarily does not encompass individual ownership?

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

The people. Not the militia. The people.

The supreme court disagrees with you by the way.
It doesn't "include" the word militia. IT IS THE SUBJECT OF THE AMENDMENT.
 
Old 02-11-2013, 02:20 PM
 
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He is right. Cops are not required to protect you. There is no guarantee there. They are required to investigate crimes. There is case history behind this which you are obviously ignorant of. Do some research before you keep spouting off.
Ah ok. Cops don't do law enforcement. They do local gardening of parks, they paint walls, and they skip along the avenue singing.

Oh for Pete's sake, why do I even bother to respond to you people's insanity?
 
Old 02-11-2013, 02:29 PM
 
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It doesn't "include" the word militia. IT IS THE SUBJECT OF THE AMENDMENT.
Right. And as an assurance that the stated end will be achieved, the right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

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Ah ok. Cops don't do law enforcement. They do local gardening of parks, they paint walls, and they skip along the avenue singing.

Oh for Pete's sake, why do I even bother to respond to you people's insanity?
You've got two freakin pages of citations backing this up.

What is wrong with you?
 
Old 02-11-2013, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Sarachiwhaawhaa....why do you continue to build straw men and ignore facts?
Supreme Court ruling that the Second Ammendment applies to individuals isn't good enough for you? You need proof? What more do you need? ...and you call US idiots...pffft

Many court cases determining that cops aren't responsible for your protection isn't good enough either?

So if you are going to dismiss case law...tell me, how can there ever be any acceptable proof good enough for you?.....

There can't because facts don't fit well into your fantasy land...

I'm curious as to how you will react when some criminal collapses your little fantasy land around you....whom will you blame?

Certainly not yourself...
 
Old 02-11-2013, 02:32 PM
 
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The real problem, IMHO (since definitions of femininity and masculinity are subjective and change over time and across cultures), is the fantasy (and fantasy it mostly is, with a few exceptions) that the bad guys are coming and that home defense will be necessary and possible when they do. The real instances of this are so few and far between that it's foolish to own weapons for this reason. Own 'em if you want (the Constitution and the Supreme Court say it's OK), but imagining this (bad guy home attack) happening is like not flying because airplanes sometimes crash. Learn the odds and live by 'em. Find a safe, low-crime neighborhood and live there. Don't show off your valuables. Etc. etc. A long, safe, violence-free life is the American norm these days, and it should stay that way for many years, guns or no guns.
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