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Old 02-05-2013, 04:03 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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So the conservative argument (like everything they argue against) is that if the idea hasn't come to fruition now it never will and so we should just not try or do anything ever and just stay in the present and not progress. But that is the definition of a conservative: just be content with the present and no need to evolve and progress. Imagine if all people during the Flintstones era were conservatives - we would all still be running barefoot and living in caves.

As the article states, a gasoline-electric hybrid might be the best intermediate solution before EV's issues are ironed out.
So spot on, its scary.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/tra...mpt.htm#page=0

Here's a fun article on man's early failed attempts to fly, spanning hundreds of years. Ties in nicely with this thread. Conservatives back then would have canned the whole endeavor after the first few attempts, if they had their way. Can't happen, impossible, don't even bother to try. We'd still be riding stage coaches cross country .
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Old 02-05-2013, 04:03 AM
 
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We were well on our way all without the government blowing billions and billions of dollars. The problem was in thinking that this has to be done yesterday. It' doesn't.

Gas/Electric hybrids are advancing every year. There is a market for these cars. With a market manufacturer's will continue to pursue them. Over times the batteries are lasting longer. The longer the manufacturer can get the batteries to last, the higher the mpg they can advertise, the more they can sell. Over time the cars would be using more and more battery power.
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Old 02-05-2013, 04:03 AM
 
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Lefties think that electric outlets are "magic holes" that produce clean, pure obama power.
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Old 02-05-2013, 04:10 AM
 
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So spot on, its scary.

HowStuffWorks "10 Bungled Personal Flight Attempts"

Here's a fun article on man's early failed attempts to fly, spanning hundreds of years. Ties in nicely with this thread. Conservatives back then would have canned the whole endeavor after the first few attempts, if they had their way. Can't happen, impossible, don't even bother to try. We'd still be riding stage coaches cross country .
So you lefties feel that if government doesn't give something their stamp of approval, it's not worthy of a man's efforts?

How much government backing did the Wright Brothers get?

We conservatives have absolutely no problem with innovation.

Capitalism is boss!
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Old 02-05-2013, 04:33 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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So you lefties feel that if government doesn't give something their stamp of approval, it's not worthy of a man's efforts?

How much government backing did the Wright Brothers get?

We conservatives have absolutely no problem with innovation.

Capitalism is boss!
You're obviously ignorant of the pioneering work of the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics (NACA), a government program that benefited the entire aviation industry.

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Old 02-05-2013, 04:39 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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So you lefties feel that if government doesn't give something their stamp of approval, it's not worthy of a man's efforts?

How much government backing did the Wright Brothers get?

We conservatives have absolutely no problem with innovation.

Capitalism is boss!

How much government backing ($$) did commercial aviation get in its beginnings, and still to this day? Oh yeah, a lot.

Your Earth Is Flat mentality is rather amusing.
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Old 02-05-2013, 05:00 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Besides the unconstitutionality of it all, that 5 billion would be put to so much better use if left in the hands of private sector entrepreneurs/ innovators.
beureaucrats dont have a good track record at choosing winning technologies.
so, it's not only a bad idea, it's unconstitutional?

The reality is that there are countless examples of government nurturing developing technology that sped development of that technology.

Government aided the early railroads, telephone and microchip industries. Without government, there would have been no canalss.

Some conservatives carry their anti-government ideology like a religion -- and like religion, it is faith-based not fact-based.
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Old 02-05-2013, 05:09 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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The article doesn't say fossil fuels is the replacement, it says hydrogen, which I have supported for a long time.

Trouble with hydrogen is it takes fuel to make it. I personally like nuclear for that purpose.

But electric cars aren't dead. Hybrids are still being bought, and the price will come down. I liked what Florida did. They allowed essentially enhanced golf carts on the road if they meet a minimum speed of 35 MPH and had turn signals. They were cheap, they could drive you around your regular 5 mile commute, and there were charging stations on the beach while you were there. Tennessee won't allow those on the road. These were specific to local use only, no one was planning on driving cross country. But when you say car, that's what folks want.

We need to redefine what's allowed on streets in town.
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Old 02-05-2013, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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But electric cars aren't dead. Hybrids are still being bought, and the price will come down.
Not only are hybrids being bought, their sales are brisk and the prices are within the range of conventional gasoline vehicles. A colleague recently bought a Prius C for about $20,000. He is getting 50 mpg. He estimates that the gas savings alone pays for the car.

I really don't understand the knee-jerk response from the right to politicize this issue. Energy efficiency isn't a Democratic vs Republican issue. We have been discussing this since the Ford Administration.
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Old 02-05-2013, 06:26 AM
 
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Not only are hybrids being bought, their sales are brisk and the prices are within the range of conventional gasoline vehicles. A colleague recently bought a Prius C for about $20,000. He is getting 50 mpg. He estimates that the gas savings alone pays for the car.

I really don't understand the knee-jerk response from the right to politicize this issue. Energy efficiency isn't a Democratic vs Republican issue. We have been discussing this since the Ford Administration.
What don`t they politicize when it comes to efforts to make us less dependant on foreign oil? Wind energy,energy efficient light bulbs,you name it they`re against it.Why they`re willing to fall on their swords for big oil and the coal industry is puzzling indeed.
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