Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 02-04-2013, 08:14 PM
 
29,407 posts, read 21,994,436 times
Reputation: 5455

Advertisements

Well all I can say is we told you green weenies this was going to be a failure. Don't worry though Obama only wasted away taxpayer money on it. That stuff grows on tree's according to the swooners.

"President Barack Obama has put $5 billion in taxpayer money behind his goal of having 1 million electric cars on U.S. roads by 2015. The Republican presidential ticket says it’s money wasted on “losers.”

Obama

"Recent moves by Japan's two largest automakers suggest that the electric car, after more than 100 years of development and several brief revivals, still is not ready for prime time - and may never be.In the meantime, the attention of automotive executives in Asia, Europe and North America is beginning to swing toward an unusual but promising new alternate power source: hydrogen.
The reality is that consumers continue to show little interest in electric vehicles, or EVs, which dominated U.S. streets in the first decade of the 20th century before being displaced by gasoline-powered cars.
Despite the promise of "green" transportation - and despite billions of dollars in investment, most recently by Nissan Motor Co - EVs continue to be plagued by many of the problems that eventually scuttled electrics in the 1910s and more recently in the 1990s. Those include high cost, short driving range and lack of charging stations.
The public's lack of appetite for battery-powered cars persuaded the Obama administration last week to back away from its aggressive goal to put 1 million electric cars on U.S. roads by 2015."


Insight: Electric cars head toward another dead end | Reuters
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 02-04-2013, 08:22 PM
 
45,203 posts, read 26,414,151 times
Reputation: 24961
Besides the unconstitutionality of it all, that 5 billion would be put to so much better use if left in the hands of private sector entrepreneurs/ innovators.
beureaucrats dont have a good track record at choosing winning technologies.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-04-2013, 11:01 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
23,707 posts, read 30,727,979 times
Reputation: 9985
If one company, Toyota, has a working globally acceptable working model why dont we just let them license out theirs and use it as a foundation to move forward? Why do we need to re-invent the wheel? It feels like we are repeating the VHS vs Beta war or the HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray war on a larger scale.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-04-2013, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Jawjah
2,468 posts, read 1,918,130 times
Reputation: 1100
So the conservative argument (like everything they argue against) is that if the idea hasn't come to fruition now it never will and so we should just not try or do anything ever and just stay in the present and not progress. But that is the definition of a conservative: just be content with the present and no need to evolve and progress. Imagine if all people during the Flintstones era were conservatives - we would all still be running barefoot and living in caves.

As the article states, a gasoline-electric hybrid might be the best intermediate solution before EV's issues are ironed out.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-04-2013, 11:12 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
10,581 posts, read 9,778,510 times
Reputation: 4174
Quote:
Originally Posted by rorqual View Post
So the conservative argument (like everything they argue against) is that if the idea hasn't come to fruition now it never will and so we should just not try or do anything ever and just stay in the present and not progress. But that is the definition of a conservative: just be content with the present and no need to evolve and progress. Imagine if all people during the Flintstones era were conservatives - we would all still be running barefoot and living in caves.
Well, that takes care of the inevitable lies from the leftist fanatics. Seven fibs in one post, that's slightly better than average.

Back to the subject:
Electric cars will become practical when they have:
(a) Range of at least 200 miles on a charge, even in winter in Minnesota;
(b) Cost not much higher than their gasoline-powered equivalent;
(c) Recharge times of half an hour or less;
(d) Batteries that last at least 75,000 miles before being replaced (if they have to be replaced at all).

The OP is right. They aren't close.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-04-2013, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
46,001 posts, read 35,158,856 times
Reputation: 7875
Very cool to hear there might be a move towards hydrogen, I remember years ago seeing something about a engineer designing a car that ran off hydrogen, it was a really cool concept, but wasn't sure if the car giants would ever go for something like that.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-05-2013, 12:31 AM
 
29,407 posts, read 21,994,436 times
Reputation: 5455
Quote:
Originally Posted by rorqual View Post
So the conservative argument (like everything they argue against) is that if the idea hasn't come to fruition now it never will and so we should just not try or do anything ever and just stay in the present and not progress. But that is the definition of a conservative: just be content with the present and no need to evolve and progress. Imagine if all people during the Flintstones era were conservatives - we would all still be running barefoot and living in caves.

As the article states, a gasoline-electric hybrid might be the best intermediate solution before EV's issues are ironed out.
Perhaps if you read the article you wouldn't be spouting this nonsense about how we should never try. As pointed out it has been and already failed over and over. Why do you folks enjoy throwing money into a toilet? Oh wait because you believe all the lies these green weenies feed you never mind.

"Despite the promise of "green" transportation - and despite billions of dollars in investment, most recently by Nissan Motor Co - EVs continue to be plagued by many of the problems that eventually scuttled electrics in the 1910s and more recently in the 1990s. Those include high cost, short driving range and lack of charging stations.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-05-2013, 12:35 AM
 
Location: City of Angels
2,918 posts, read 5,605,190 times
Reputation: 2267
Quote:
Originally Posted by urbanlife78 View Post
Very cool to hear there might be a move towards hydrogen, I remember years ago seeing something about a engineer designing a car that ran off hydrogen, it was a really cool concept, but wasn't sure if the car giants would ever go for something like that.
it only gets a brief mention in the actual article. theyre just talking about concept cars in any case, so not even sure why it's worth mentioning - the idea has been around for decades. in any case, most of the article focuses on the success of hybrids.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-05-2013, 03:53 AM
 
Location: Earth
24,620 posts, read 28,269,927 times
Reputation: 11416
They've been driving electric cars in Europe for at least a decade.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-05-2013, 04:00 AM
 
12,265 posts, read 6,465,198 times
Reputation: 9425
The Wright bros. first flight went 120 ft. Fortunately they didn`t have that "can`t do" attitude.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:02 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top