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Old 02-04-2013, 08:14 PM
 
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Well all I can say is we told you green weenies this was going to be a failure. Don't worry though Obama only wasted away taxpayer money on it. That stuff grows on tree's according to the swooners.

"President Barack Obama has put $5 billion in taxpayer money behind his goal of having 1 million electric cars on U.S. roads by 2015. The Republican presidential ticket says it’s money wasted on “losers.”

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"Recent moves by Japan's two largest automakers suggest that the electric car, after more than 100 years of development and several brief revivals, still is not ready for prime time - and may never be.In the meantime, the attention of automotive executives in Asia, Europe and North America is beginning to swing toward an unusual but promising new alternate power source: hydrogen.
The reality is that consumers continue to show little interest in electric vehicles, or EVs, which dominated U.S. streets in the first decade of the 20th century before being displaced by gasoline-powered cars.
Despite the promise of "green" transportation - and despite billions of dollars in investment, most recently by Nissan Motor Co - EVs continue to be plagued by many of the problems that eventually scuttled electrics in the 1910s and more recently in the 1990s. Those include high cost, short driving range and lack of charging stations.
The public's lack of appetite for battery-powered cars persuaded the Obama administration last week to back away from its aggressive goal to put 1 million electric cars on U.S. roads by 2015."


Insight: Electric cars head toward another dead end | Reuters
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Old 02-04-2013, 08:22 PM
 
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Besides the unconstitutionality of it all, that 5 billion would be put to so much better use if left in the hands of private sector entrepreneurs/ innovators.
beureaucrats dont have a good track record at choosing winning technologies.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:01 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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If one company, Toyota, has a working globally acceptable working model why dont we just let them license out theirs and use it as a foundation to move forward? Why do we need to re-invent the wheel? It feels like we are repeating the VHS vs Beta war or the HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray war on a larger scale.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Jawjah
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So the conservative argument (like everything they argue against) is that if the idea hasn't come to fruition now it never will and so we should just not try or do anything ever and just stay in the present and not progress. But that is the definition of a conservative: just be content with the present and no need to evolve and progress. Imagine if all people during the Flintstones era were conservatives - we would all still be running barefoot and living in caves.

As the article states, a gasoline-electric hybrid might be the best intermediate solution before EV's issues are ironed out.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:12 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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So the conservative argument (like everything they argue against) is that if the idea hasn't come to fruition now it never will and so we should just not try or do anything ever and just stay in the present and not progress. But that is the definition of a conservative: just be content with the present and no need to evolve and progress. Imagine if all people during the Flintstones era were conservatives - we would all still be running barefoot and living in caves.
Well, that takes care of the inevitable lies from the leftist fanatics. Seven fibs in one post, that's slightly better than average.

Back to the subject:
Electric cars will become practical when they have:
(a) Range of at least 200 miles on a charge, even in winter in Minnesota;
(b) Cost not much higher than their gasoline-powered equivalent;
(c) Recharge times of half an hour or less;
(d) Batteries that last at least 75,000 miles before being replaced (if they have to be replaced at all).

The OP is right. They aren't close.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Very cool to hear there might be a move towards hydrogen, I remember years ago seeing something about a engineer designing a car that ran off hydrogen, it was a really cool concept, but wasn't sure if the car giants would ever go for something like that.
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:31 AM
 
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So the conservative argument (like everything they argue against) is that if the idea hasn't come to fruition now it never will and so we should just not try or do anything ever and just stay in the present and not progress. But that is the definition of a conservative: just be content with the present and no need to evolve and progress. Imagine if all people during the Flintstones era were conservatives - we would all still be running barefoot and living in caves.

As the article states, a gasoline-electric hybrid might be the best intermediate solution before EV's issues are ironed out.
Perhaps if you read the article you wouldn't be spouting this nonsense about how we should never try. As pointed out it has been and already failed over and over. Why do you folks enjoy throwing money into a toilet? Oh wait because you believe all the lies these green weenies feed you never mind.

"Despite the promise of "green" transportation - and despite billions of dollars in investment, most recently by Nissan Motor Co - EVs continue to be plagued by many of the problems that eventually scuttled electrics in the 1910s and more recently in the 1990s. Those include high cost, short driving range and lack of charging stations.
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:35 AM
 
Location: City of Angels
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Very cool to hear there might be a move towards hydrogen, I remember years ago seeing something about a engineer designing a car that ran off hydrogen, it was a really cool concept, but wasn't sure if the car giants would ever go for something like that.
it only gets a brief mention in the actual article. theyre just talking about concept cars in any case, so not even sure why it's worth mentioning - the idea has been around for decades. in any case, most of the article focuses on the success of hybrids.
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:53 AM
 
Location: Earth
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They've been driving electric cars in Europe for at least a decade.
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Old 02-05-2013, 04:00 AM
 
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The Wright bros. first flight went 120 ft. Fortunately they didn`t have that "can`t do" attitude.
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