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Old 02-05-2013, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I am not surprised. According to their religion they are to turn many and kill those that choose not to
Almost all religions have strong elements of converting others. What do you think those missionaries have been doing all these years? What do you think Evangelical Christains do? How about Mormons, another fast growing religion? Heck, how about Scientology?

There are likely as many interpretations of the Quran as their are the old and new testament. Most Muslims do not believe in killing those who do not convert.
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Old 02-05-2013, 02:00 PM
 
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Unless the religions starts restricting the functions of public life, there is nothing wrong with it.
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Old 02-05-2013, 02:03 PM
 
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For Mr. Amghar, Islam provides more structure and discipline than other religions. It is a way to “refuse modernism,” get back to a society with more family values and a clearer distinction between men and women. “Islam has a peaceful effect on the converts,” Mr. Amghar said. “The world looks clearer after they’ve converted.”

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But there is rising anxiety here about the influence of Islam, especially conservative Salafist Islam, particularly among those on the center-right. Islam is regularly at the center of heated debates about the nature and future of France and its culture, and politicians can win attention and support by criticizing the expansion of Muslim customs into the wider public sphere: for example, the rise of women-only sessions in public swimming pools or the increasing availability of halal food.


Sounds exactly like what Tea Partiers preach here !


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/04/wo...l?pagewanted=1

"Sounds exactly like what Tea Partiers preach here !"

This is a lie.
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:57 PM
 
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I just find the whole shebang to be quite arrogant.

If God is looking to choose a people, why the Middle East? It's as if there's no world outside of the Biblical world in a small corner of the Earth. That's one of my pet peeves with the big 3 monotheisms.

How folks don't see that as the height of arrogance is beyond me.
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Old 02-05-2013, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Lincoln, NE (via SW Virginia)
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I'm a big ol' Lib and all but I have very ill feelings towards Islam. Any western Liberal should categorically oppose the pragmatic implementation of Islam and it's expansion. Regardless of what the apologetics say, in practice Islam is almost always mysognistic, racist, anti-semitic, anti-gay, anti-progress, pro-capital punishment, and while doubling as a political ideology is LITERARLLY indistinguishable from Nazism. We oppose these acts in the US when committed by non-muslims....any western liberal should oppose this. It is cruel and has proven itself unwelcome almost everywhere.
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Old 02-05-2013, 04:35 PM
 
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I'm a big ol' Lib and all but I have very ill feelings towards Islam. Any western Liberal should categorically oppose the pragmatic implementation of Islam and it's expansion. Regardless of what the apologetics say, in practice Islam is almost always mysognistic, racist, anti-semitic, anti-gay, anti-progress, pro-capital punishment, and while doubling as a political ideology is LITERARLLY indistinguishable from Nazism. We oppose these acts in the US when committed by non-muslims....any western liberal should oppose this. It is cruel and has proven itself unwelcome almost everywhere.
The only difference is that western nations have had a brush with modernity. That changes the equation. When you have democracy, science, and philosophy, religion becomes less important.

In a truly free society, Christianity has to compete in a marketplace of other ideas, which makes it less draconian and more palatable. It sells better.

But when Christianity DIDN'T have to compete, and the clergy had a lot more power over individual lives, it was no better than Islam. And if they're ever able to seize that much power again, they'd be the same way to the extent that it's possible.

So really, it's just a matter of many of the world's Muslims needing an Enlightenment. Ain't gonna happen in my lifetime, but oh well.

In any case, I too have a problem with Islam, but I have that same problem with every religion.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:35 PM
 
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For Mr. Amghar, Islam provides more structure and discipline than other religions. It is a way to “refuse modernism,” get back to a society with more family values and a clearer distinction between men and women. “Islam has a peaceful effect on the converts,” Mr. Amghar said. “The world looks clearer after they’ve converted.”

...

But there is rising anxiety here about the influence of Islam, especially conservative Salafist Islam, particularly among those on the center-right. Islam is regularly at the center of heated debates about the nature and future of France and its culture, and politicians can win attention and support by criticizing the expansion of Muslim customs into the wider public sphere: for example, the rise of women-only sessions in public swimming pools or the increasing availability of halal food.


Sounds exactly like what Tea Partiers preach here !


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/04/wo...l?pagewanted=1
Islam is damn near the opposite of the TEA Party.

The TEA Party wants to live more freely. Islam is a totalitarian theocracy.

I think you people confuse people wanting society to maintain a sense of decency with theocracy.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Jawjah
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The TEA Party wants to live more freely. Islam is a totalitarian theocracy.
Bwahahahahahahaa!!

Nice one.

Translated: More freely under Christian Sharia Law
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:07 PM
 
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Bwahahahahahahaa!!

Nice one.

Translated: More freely under Christian Sharia Law
You don't understand the TEA Party, and unless you remove your prejudice, you never will. But go ahead and keep on listening to Maddow and Shultz on msnbc if it makes you happy.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:31 PM
 
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Better check your history. The castration procedure has roots in ancient Africa, predating Islam and not related to Islam. This procedure has been performed all over Europe, including the UK, at one time or another. Some African cultures continue to practice this procedure.
Thank you for confirming what I said.... Note the bolded text above, ancient, just like the rest of Islam, ancient and barbaric. Read up on female circumcision and Islam:

Islamic Law on Female Circumcision

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Stoning has its roots in the Old Testament. It eventually stopped .

Stoning was once a common punishment imposed on adulturers in some Muslim countries. The Western World became more aware of this as a result of the Iran invasion. It has since been outlawed. It's increasingly uncommon except in the more remote third world areas, governed by local warlords.
It stopped? Really? Are you that out of touch with reality? Below are some of the stonings that took place within the last year or so....

Iran: Four women stoned to death - Jihad Watch

Video of Stoning to Death - Islam in action

Woman sentenced to death by stoning in Sudan - Africa - Al Jazeera English
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