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Old 02-06-2013, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Not to reality.
The US Team that was tasked to find the WMDs in Iraq disagree with you.

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Israel said the same thing at the time. Iraq moved illicit weapons to Syria. Already posted.
ANd in the ten years since they said that, they too have learned they were wrong.

 
Old 02-06-2013, 08:50 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The US Team that was tasked to find the WMDs in Iraq disagree with you.
That's because they didn't look in Syria, where the weapons were moved.
 
Old 02-07-2013, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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That's because they didn't look in Syria, where the weapons were moved.
They didn't need to. Why?

Because the facilities that were capable of storing and maintaining WMDs in Iraq had been abandoned or converted to other uses by 1997. By the time George Bush was elected, Iraq had already been WMD free for years.
 
Old 02-07-2013, 08:14 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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They didn't need to. Why?

Because the facilities that were capable of storing and maintaining WMDs in Iraq had been abandoned or converted to other uses by 1997.
Clinton indicated otherwise in December 1998...


President Clinton orders attack on Iraq - YouTube
 
Old 02-07-2013, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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The thing that bothers me is why is that question important?

The real deceit comes with making something of it.

We gave Iraq all of its, weapons of mass destruction.

The question is why did we go to war with Iraq?

Unless, Saddam's announcement that Iraq would sell oil in euros only was the true "weapon of mass destruction".
"WE"? That is a fantasy conjured up by those revisionists with BDS,

No, we certainly did not. The vast majority of Saddam's WMDs came from Europe, the Soviet Bloc, & others.

The truth is summarized very wwell here:

http://jeffweintraub.blogspot.com/20...ty-checks.html
 
Old 02-09-2013, 04:38 PM
 
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Link? Quote?

We went to Iraq in March 2003. The plan was to depose Saddam and then plant a seed of democracy in the Mid East, i.e. nation-build. You're telling me that there was a plan to invade, depose, nation-build, and leave, all in 10 months?
Not at all. Bush and his gang assumed that once we rid Iraq of the "cruel dictator", Iraqis would embrace democracy "naturally" and be thankful to the US for the rest of their lives. The bulk of US troops were planned to be out by Christmas 2003 with only a few left behind to train the Iraqi new democracy. The cost of the war was supposed to be paid by democratic Iraq as Desert Storm was paid by Kuwait and gulf emirates. At end of the day, it wouldn't have costed the US taxpayer one cent and the flow of oil be guaranteed for years to come.
 
Old 02-09-2013, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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George W. Bush did not knowingly lie about WMDs in Iraq | Other voices - The News Tribune

A good op-ed by a Yale prof who also does a column for Bloomberg News. He confirms what any reasonably intelligent person not suffering from a derangement syndrome should already know: there were no "lies about WMD" from the Bush admin. He cites a book by Brit journalist Gordon Corera for his evidence:



As I have posted before, even Saddam's own senior officers believed it. It was all a consequence of Saddam's 'deterrence by doubt' strategy which was mainly intended to cow the Iranians. Saddam confirmed this in interrogations after being captured.



I believe that the "Bush lied, thousands died" meme will be remembered by historians as one of the biggest idiocies of US politics ever. Maybe even more worrisome that the meme itself was the fact that it was so widely embraced by so many Americans. There is doubtlessl a large percentage of the population, maybe even a majority, who still believe it. If a large number of people in a democratically-run nation can be persuaded of a stupid and easily disproven proposition, that nation is in trouble.
What does Hans Blix have to say about that?
 
Old 02-09-2013, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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There was a PBS documentary that also came to the conclusion that Bush did not lie and there was evidence suggesting that Saddam had the weapons. They claimed that the intelligence would feed Bush what he wanted to hear and leave out evidence to the contrary...as one officer said something to the effect of "we wanted to be liked by Bush" ....one might blame Bush though for having that kind of culture among those advising him.
We know he once had them. Bush 41 and Rumsfeld sold them to him, for pete's sake.

The question is, why didn't Bush 43 allow Hans Blix to finish his inspection tour?
 
Old 02-09-2013, 04:51 PM
 
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"WE"? That is a fantasy conjured up by those revisionists with BDS,

No, we certainly did not. The vast majority of Saddam's WMDs came from Europe, the Soviet Bloc, & others.

The truth is summarized very wwell here:

Jeff Weintraub: Who armed Saddam? - Some reality checks
So . . . PetroEuros versus PetroDollars had nothing to do with our invasion?

The WMD issue was a poorly contrived motivation point, which is still being argued to skirt the color of money.
 
Old 02-09-2013, 05:06 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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There was a PBS documentary that also came to the conclusion that Bush did not lie and there was evidence suggesting that Saddam had the weapons. They claimed that the intelligence would feed Bush what he wanted to hear and leave out evidence to the contrary...as one officer said something to the effect of "we wanted to be liked by Bush" ....one might blame Bush though for having that kind of culture among those advising him.
Your post is very manipulating.

Bush said lies like "Saddam Hussein had something to do with Sept 11."
But Saddam Hussein and Iraq had nothing to do with Sept 11.

The following sources explain that the GW Bush White House, told 935 documented lies about Iraq (and you actually sit here and say Bush did not lie about Iraq.)


Study: Bush, aides made 935 false statements in run-up to war - CNN
Study: False statements preceded war - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Conflict in Iraq | NBC News
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