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Old 02-05-2013, 07:30 PM
 
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon View Post
Define WMD.

Do chemical weapons that Saddam used to kill Kurds count as a WMD?

P.S. I agree with your general premise that we shouldn't have went in to Iraq.
Nice red herring.

No one ever disputed that the Iraqi regime used chemical weapons instances like the Anfal campaign, which took place in the late 1980s. The Bush Adminstration's claim in 2003 was that Iraq possessed (not used to possess; possessed in 2003), and I quote, "vast stockpiles of WMD".

So your attempt to refute the fact that we didn't find any WMD when we invaded Iraq in 2003 by noting that Iraq used them over a decade earlier is, at best, laughably nonsensical.

 
Old 02-05-2013, 07:35 PM
 
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Sorry, but a book review of another's work is an unimpressive and unpersuasive case for anything.
 
Old 02-05-2013, 07:41 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Nicholas van Rijn View Post
Nice red herring.

No one ever disputed that the Iraqi regime used chemical weapons instances like the Anfal campaign, which took place in the late 1980s. The Bush Adminstration's claim in 2003 was that Iraq possessed (not used to possess; possessed in 2003), and I quote, "vast stockpiles of WMD".

So your attempt to refute the fact that we didn't find any WMD when we invaded Iraq in 2003 by noting that Iraq used them over a decade earlier is, at best, laughably nonsensical.
Please read before you post.

Someone can't say that Saddam didn't have a single WMD.

Was the intelligence used not true? Yes.

Should we have went into Iraq? Not in my opinion.

Did Saddam have vast stock piles of WMDs? No.

Did Saddam not have a single WMD? No.
 
Old 02-05-2013, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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You know that in order to tell a lie you have to be intellegent enough to discern truth from falsehood. If you believe falsehood to be true and state that it is true that is being mistaken and not lying. I believe Bush was mistaken about almost everything he believes. That does not make him a liar just a very stupid and unimformed man.
 
Old 02-05-2013, 08:06 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Statutory Ape View Post
We gave Iraq all of its, weapons of mass destruction.
hilarious idiocy.

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As part of Project 922, German firms such as Karl Kobe helped build Iraqi chemical weapons facilities such as laboratories, bunkers, an administrative building, and first production buildings in the early 1980s under the cover of a pesticide plant. Other German firms sent 1,027 tons of precursors of mustard gas, sarin, tabun, and tear gasses in all. This work allowed Iraq to produce 150 tons of mustard agent and 60 tons of Tabun in 1983 and 1984 respectively, continuing throughout the decade. Five other German firms supplied equipment to manufacture botulin toxin and mycotoxin for germ warfare. In 1988, German engineers presented centrifuge data that helped Iraq expand its nuclear weapons program. Laboratory equipment and other information was provided, involving many German engineers. All told, 52% of Iraq's international chemical weapon equipment was of German origin.
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The factories in the Samarra complex used to produce and stockpile the three lethal gas compounds of mustard gas, Tabun gas, and cyanide acid. Each time, the defunct regime claimed that the factories in Samarra was a complex of scientific research laboratories to produce pharmaceuticals and insecticides to protect the fluoride in the soil. German scientists estimate the production capacity of the Samarra complex at thousands of tons per year. This was also confirmed in the 1984 report published by the US Central Intelligence Agency. The report said that the factories in Sammara were producing lethal nerve gases. Later, the US government provided the German government with evidence related to the activities of this complex. The evidence was in the form of satellite images that revealed six-story buildings buried underground. The West German government rejected the evidence claiming that it did not prove anything against Iraq. This US insistence really worried the German Karl Kolb engineers and technicians that worked in the Samarra factories. They were so worried that Israel might bomb the Samarra complex that they hastened to build shelters to protect the personnel and the warehouses were the poison gases were stored. The horrible images of death of the victims of Iraq's chemical weapons in the town of Halabja in 1988 drove the West German authorities to take legal action after a lawsuit was filed against the German companies. The German federal organs to prevent customs crimes started procedures to identify the German companies that exported materials and equipment to Iraq that are used in the production of poison gases.
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/cw/az120103.html

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Old 02-05-2013, 08:23 PM
 
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon View Post
Please read before you post.

Someone can't say that Saddam didn't have a single WMD.

Was the intelligence used not true? Yes.

Should we have went into Iraq? Not in my opinion.

Did Saddam have vast stock piles of WMDs? No.

Did Saddam not have a single WMD? No.
I did. You posted dishonest nonsense, in response to this:

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Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948 gosh i dont know but we invaded a country one million people died, and we did not find a single WMD.
been there ever since 10 years later.



Sorry, you're going to have to find some really stupid posters to think the fact that Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons in the late 1980s is remotely relevant to the Bush administration's claims that he had them in 2003.

And you shouldn't have any problems with that -- there are plenty here who will eat up your embarrassingly pathetic dissembling.
 
Old 02-05-2013, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Bush lied, hundreds of thousands died.

Evidence of WMD's: ZERO
 
Old 02-05-2013, 08:34 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ovcatto View Post
Sorry, but a book review of another's work is an unimpressive and unpersuasive case for anything.
Only because it says something your progressive leaders told you not to believe...... its called an inconvenient truth
 
Old 02-05-2013, 08:35 PM
 
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Bush lied, hundreds of thousands died.

Evidence of WMD's: ZERO
Clinton dropped bombs which killed innocents.... your faux outrage renders you clueless and partisan
 
Old 02-05-2013, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Originally Posted by A&M_Indie_08 View Post
Clinton dropped bombs which killed innocents.... your faux outrage renders you clueless and partisan
Clinton?? Faux outrage? It was, and is, very real. I've always been bothered by the loss of life, and just as bothered by the ignorance and lack of outrage of many Americans to the orgy of unprovoked violence created by your President and Vice President.

And yet you call me partisan. Sadly indicative of your entire party.
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